Table is $1-$2 Villain very tight. Last hour he only opened one hand went to showdown with Aces 3betting from LP one call, he checked back a very dry flop, checked back turn and only bet river 30% of pot.

Hero is a maniac high on cocaine with KK on the SB with a $350 stack. Villain covers. V opens UTG+1 $15, Hero 3bets $35, folds all around to V who tanked for ever and 4bets $80. Hero calls.

Flop is 8♧ 3♧ 2♤ Hero checks V bets $100 Hero ?

Could we ever fold here ?

If he ever takes this line with QQ, no, we cant fold. If you have some crazy soul read and somehow know that villain only does this with AA, then we cant fault exploitative hero folds, and I know some Vs do have AA and AA only here, but its rare. We cam remove sets from convo bc if he can have 88 then we def cant fold.

Whats more interesting to me in this spot is considering jamming. If we call 100, what turn cards can wr fold? If we cant fold turn, why not just ship it now?

I'm not a fan of the 3b sizing. I'd like 50+ in this spot, V 4b is essentially a click back. I'd like to think most 0 level thinkers are making these types of raise to get you to stay in the pot. As played, it comes down to how often do we think V can take this line with QQ. If it's all 6 combos, then it's an easy call, and call off on any non-Q/A run outs. There are 8 combos of AK left, does he 4b any of them pre? From the description it doesn't look like it.

Can he ever do this with JJ?

Don't call pre and then fold this flop.

If your image is as you described you can't fold but it's probably better to rip it pre.

Question: We call and turn is Q♢ Villain bets the rest of his stack. Pot is now $335 giving us odds of 2/1. We need 33% equity. At this point V range is QQ+ ? So do we have an easy fold here ?

P.S. I can almost never find a fold in these spots. Cant fold the flop and even harder to fold that turn. Is this a leak ?

Awesome

Fold, what are we beating out of his 4b range at that point? As I mentioned above, I don’t think he has any AK in his range. If no AK, AQ is out as well.

We’re really chopping with the last KK and hope he somehow has JJ and turns them into a bluff. If so, we got it played.

But on a Q or an Ace, it’s hard to continue.


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I like this. Normally I'm in TAG waters and there I feel comfortable with my image and how it affects table dynamics. But when I experiment and loosen up I am having trouble understaning how I affect the rest of the table and how I'm being percieved so I end up paying with overpairs and TPTK..

I'm worried when in spots like the example above, still I pay because of how I think I'm being percieved. Ofcourse many times fish has gone to showdown with me with very questionable hands but overall it has not been very pleasant playing loose and I am very eager to learn how to do it the right way.

Sure..

Idk if there is a "right way" lol and I don't play as my main source of income so take the advice fwiw. This specific hand is probably folded by the best/ highest earning players in any room. I still "need to see it" more Often than I should because it sucks to play (LAG) for 8 hours, get kings and have to fold.

As far as getting more comfortable playing LAG one of the biggest things I had to learn is it doesn't really work from EP in full games. If you are playing in a smallish player pool it's really important to figure out how the regs are reacting to you and play in an exploitative manner. Call down less, bet for value more, seems simple right?

Some players ALWAYS "have it"

Lets set it up so everyone says we could never fold. Nice post?

Belongs in bbv as gimmick not serious post

Actually looks that we are leaning towards a fold so you got it wrong here einstein.

I don't fold there but I try to get it all in before the flop. I'm not sure what his stack is but I would try to put him all in.

Remember your image: maniac.

So 5 bet GII preflop; avoid the cocaine pregame.

Thanks guys for your thoughts.. it looks as if the majority here is willing to push.

Results: I shoved got called by AA and lost the pot.

Merry Christmas all !

+1, especially on the candy

Don't do cocaine pre. Fold flop.

What if we just do a little cocaine pre for metagame purposes?

"Call pre but fold flop" is horrible horrible horrible. Folding preflop is better than calling that and then folding on the flop.

The play here is 5 bet all in preflop. You are never going to want to fold on any flop. This villain will not show up with AK. He probably is the type of guy who limp-calls AK pre. He has AA (usually) and QQ (sometimes), that's it. The fact that no other player at the table is folding KK, but sometimes would miss value vs QQ on ace high flops by calling pre, makes this shove profitable.

Tldr: Shoving pre and losing money AA vs KK does not affect your winrate. Sometimes they 4 bet QQ so shove it in, especially with your image.