Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
KK raised on 9T4hhh flop to 140??? KK raised on 9T4hhh flop to 140???

09-21-2014 , 10:21 AM
I'm playing live internationally in terrible guesthouse conditions, sick and exhausted and nauseous hoping to make some food money and save enough to earn my 4th degree and maybe go to med school and donate to educational charities. I've been playing at this casino a few times and was up a few times. I have KK on the button in a 1/2 game where people buy in often for 400, 500 250bb deep or more. Its folded to me I raise to 25, the dangerous LAG SB who had taken 225 off of me with 2 pair the last night calls, BB calls. I have had some winning sessions at the casino once up to more than 1400
Flop: 9T4hhh (pot 75)
Its checked to me I bet 40 in 5s, the LAG who had destroyed me the last night raises to 140, I call and he quickly shoves the turn AI for 309 I have him more than covered
Turn 974hhhQc (pot 355)
I doubt that the LAG is bluffing enough for this to be a call. I could have a set or a flush myself though I am not raising every button and not raising often from late position but rarely every few orbits. Both our ranges are uncapped though my range is narrower and an average player might reraise QQ+. I think the LAG could have anything since he could easily call 25 with 9To, suited hands, 99,TT,44. I showed him the KK on the turn he immediately jumps up and looks away
KK raised on 9T4hhh flop to 140??? Quote
09-21-2014 , 10:24 AM
wat
KK raised on 9T4hhh flop to 140??? Quote
09-21-2014 , 10:28 AM
do you see this as a bluff especially given that the SB jumped up and looked away when I showed him the KK?
KK raised on 9T4hhh flop to 140??? Quote
09-21-2014 , 12:09 PM
Stack Sizes [ ]
Relevant reads [ ]
Good formatting [ ]
Uncapped ranges at 1/2 [x]
A bunch of other BS [x]
KK raised on 9T4hhh flop to 140??? Quote
09-21-2014 , 12:51 PM
Wait that post actually made me chuckle, I'm not sure what is happening here.
KK raised on 9T4hhh flop to 140??? Quote
09-21-2014 , 12:51 PM
[ ] hero haz Kh...

E z fold.
KK raised on 9T4hhh flop to 140??? Quote
09-21-2014 , 01:20 PM
Back the train up. When you call the 140 more you have to stop and think what hands would he do this with? It really doesn't matter if you have the Kh or not. You could easily have reverse implied odds. If he already has the A high flush that a heart on the turn is the worst card ever either because you will make your hand and loose a lot or make your hands and win nothing because he either has a smaller flush or a set.

Basically calling 140 and then folding for 309 makes no sense because when we call the 140 we are saying we think we probablly have the best hand. And if we are going to call 309 we might as well just shove when he makes it 140 or better yet just fold.

I think a mistake a lot of players make is that they are looking at the amount of money of the bet instead of the bet in relation to the pot size and hand range. Villian is a loose player and is capable of playing 2 suited cards or random junk that has you beat here. Also these loose players often dont bluff get creative. When they hit their hand they play it hard but when they don't they just call. They love to chase but only bet when they make their hand. The best thing to do is just wait for a spot to trap him. Try to get him on your right and make position your friend.
KK raised on 9T4hhh flop to 140??? Quote
09-21-2014 , 05:35 PM
Thanks very much!!! No I had KcKd or something no Kh. Even if I had the Kh then it still seems to be a fold to me vs 2 pair a set or a flush. I think I might fold the flop villain is raising 50bb at 1/2 even though he is deeper. He is a regular at these games.
the villain SB who I have covered has 475 to start the hand. But I am definitely not saying that I have villain beat when I bet call 140 on the flop and am not obligated to call the turn. I mean he raised pretty quickly and convincingly but there are only 12 combos of QQ, JJ that I beat. I can still certainly fold for 309 at 1/2 and my equity goes down on the turn if I had the Kh which I don't. Are you seriously going to call AI 309 on the turn?

I should have raised more preflop maybe 30-40. I have decided never to limp TT+ in early position or play these hands slow anymore.

You are spot on; another player told me this LAG villain plays his hands fast and always has it when he bets. It's interesting how these players are similar even internationally then... He got me with Q9o turned 2 pair when he bet 100 on the turn in another hand. I would guess he isn't calculating 19:1 implied odds when he calls a suited hand in the SB or whatever unsuited hand.
After the hand villain said he bluffed me with JJ then he said he bluffed me with 33.
I don't know what a good book is for deep stack play, I'm basically learning this now and am definitely not rolled for $500 buyins after being robbed. I lost another $45 tonight at the casino was a terrible night

Last edited by djohnson13; 09-21-2014 at 05:46 PM.
KK raised on 9T4hhh flop to 140??? Quote
09-25-2014 , 03:14 PM
I definitely assign too high of a bluff range to people, I'd say villain has 2 pair+, sets, flushes here most of the time. But what is their bluff range maybe 1/10?
Another hand a day later I open to about 15 with A5ss. this player called shortstacked with 78dd oop and shoved the flop on me for 28, I think it was 782sss and I called with A5ss and lost. so he has beaten me even though he really doesn't calculate pot odds...
KK raised on 9T4hhh flop to 140??? Quote
09-27-2014 , 06:11 PM
would you even draw if you had the Kh?
anyway what I said was definitely not BS and I don't even know why you post that on my thread fishtaco? you are lucky to have perfect health and you come on here and troll my thread for some reason which is?
KK raised on 9T4hhh flop to 140??? Quote
09-27-2014 , 06:23 PM
It's like this thread is a fair maiden tied to the tracks.


The train is coming.


The train is coming.

Last edited by spikeraw22; 09-27-2014 at 06:33 PM.
KK raised on 9T4hhh flop to 140??? Quote
09-28-2014 , 08:27 AM
it seems strange if this player had 3b pre then I could shove, but I fold to a raise and a shove postflop? is it a terrible mistake? the turn shove is less than a pot size bet and my range probably looks weak from the button
KK raised on 9T4hhh flop to 140??? Quote

      
m