Game is 1-3
Villain relatively new to the table. Older Asian man.
We both have about $300.
Hero been card dead for the past hour +
Hero UTG+1
Villain one of the button.
UTG raises to $7.
Looking at two black Kings, I make it $21.
Fold to the villain who four bet to $45.
Fold to me and I decided to flat.
Please advise on this play.
Flop is 9Q7 rainbow. Hero check villain bets $65 into $97. Call.
Turn is another 9 and I decided to check with the intention of raising.
Villain bets $100.
Hero? I put him there on AK, JJ or 1010.
Maybe AA but I doubt.
Certainly not QQ because he would have wanted to slow play with a FH and not AQ because I have never seen many people to four bet AQ at this game.


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There's an UTG raise. You 3 bet an UTG raise. This guy still 4 bets you. That doesnt happen often without AA/KK. Obviously some might do it with AK/QQ/JJ.

He has to put you on absolute minimum of AQ when you call the flop. You still want to put him on all the hands you beat after he bets the turn also?

Villain's preflop action is absurdly strong. UTG bets, you 3 bet from UTG+1 and he nearly min raise 4 bets you? A typical villain's range is AA/KK for this play. I'm making the call preflop but it is more for implied odds then anything. When villain continues on flop I'm making a tight fold. If villain had shown a tendency to c-bet and then give up I might continue to turn but most villains who will bluff in this sort of situation won't give up easily.

If table is aggro at all, we could just flat the initial open (which is *extremely* small for 1/3 NL game, imo) and then hope someone goes after this dead money and we can then reraise. Or, with $300 stacks, we could simply make it $30 (getting in 10% of our stack and setting up an easy stack off postflop on non A high flops); hopefully UTG will give us some action. As played, how is old Asian man playing? I mean, he's seen a 3bet from a card dead UTG+2 and yet he's now cold 4betting? If he has AA, we're probably getting good enough odds to setmine considering he'll never be able to fold a K high flop given the SPR will be < 3. We could also just reraise and get it in here and if up against AA oh well. Kinda meh spot, imo.

Ug, gross flop as now QQ got there. Reads on the Villain are really necessary at this point. You think JJ/TT/AK 4bet cold preflop, and then double barrel a Q high flop? Not in my experience for typical players. It's a gross spot all around, but somewhere along the line I'm more leaning towards a fold than anything else, but really read dependent.

GcaptainofthegoodshipMUBSyG

Surprisingly, I have seen many players 4 betting with Jacks. Because they don't know how to play postflop.
Anyway I checked raised the turn bet and he folded.


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You are seeing a much more aggressive preflop crowd then I do. In most sessions I play I don't see any 4 bets all and when I do it's often a shove. Even the maniacs tend to just call too wide preflop if they are not making the first bet themselves. I see the the weird bets/raises postflop.

Any further reads on how he played the rest of the night? Honestly, he sounds a little maniacy given this single HH.

GcluelessmaniacnoobG

Best line if you think he has AK/JJ/TT is check call the turn tho. Check raise has him fold out AK/JJ/TT and all bluffs.

That why I posted this in the first place. I wasn't sure if I left money on the table or not. Of course, he could have had AA and be scared of the two nines on the turn and revise his position on the river.


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At small stakes (such as here), I have often seen older Asians four-bet with AK, AQ and on rare occasion, even AJ. Usually when it happens, they were soooooooted.

Most recently, I have seen it in a club game (same player on different nights) but frequently have seen it in New Orleans. On rare occasion, they made the move with AA/KK, but it has almost ALWAYS been a big suited ace...

I 4 bet with JJ today, but it was a completely different situation where I opened from the button and got 3 bet from the BB. I 4 bet him.

Your situation is night and day and only a total maniac would play this hand like he did with JJ.

Preflop, I too would call his reraise, although I would be very worried about running into AA here. Especially, since you have no info on him. If he was a aggro LAGgy type, I would feel much better.

Flop: I probably play the same way as you and call with the overpair and see where the turn leads.

Turn: Without any reads, I would tend to believe I am facing AA, I am a little on the cautions side, but I do not like to get my stack in with just one pair facing this type of aggression

He definitely is not limited to AA/KK here. 7 to 21 to 45 is not just the preflop nuts, I definitely think that's an easy move for 77-JJ/Axs for some guys that aren't putting much value on your seat positions.

I expect he has AQs here a whole lot more than he has QQ, and his bets represent it.

I would have reraised AI preflop, but I always think it's good to go all-in preflop on Kings with less than a single buy-in. If I played as you to the flop, I would have lead out. If I checked the flop I would have also smooth called.

As played, call and slowly check any non-K river.

You may actually have gotten him off AA here because your turn raise is super strong. I would probably folds aces here without a read, assuming you would never raise with a worse hand. In general a raise on the turn is pretty awful.

Common wisdom says only about 7-12% of all players are winners. Anyone who think this hand is played well is not one of those 7-12%.

Villain may have folded AA this time or more likely hes just a clown who tried to aggro his way to the winner, but if thats the case there will be multiple opportunities to take his money. You wont even have to take it. He will give it to you.

Hero's winning this hand is probably the worst thing that could've happened because it reinforced bad play and will make him lose a lot of money long term.

We think it's possible Villain folded AA here?

Gexactlynever,imoG

The guy already put 205 out of his 300 in, so his last 95 to win 505.

As V, I wouldn't even fold a Q there. AA would be way easier to peel off. Him folding makes me think 88-JJ.

This is the part of the post I'd like to respond to. I think your results confirm this read, but there's not much in the description that indicates we can rule out AA or QQ. The bet size on the turn is a bit weird, I'll give you that.

Even the raise pre I found it weird. With aces at this game, with 5 more players to act, he would have bet around 80-100


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It is possible he makes a frustration call but if you had AA here what exactly do you think you beat that raises turn? Maybe KK exactly if you assume V plays it bizarrely?

88/TT/JJ/KK/AQ/KQ

If it's a frustration call because he overcommitted himself then it's likely he's just going to swing at pot odds. Pocket rockets gets crushed by trips even though they 4 bet preflop and bet the flop only to get sucked out on later, sounds like a story everyone's played on both sides before.

The SPR is 2.6; I'm never folding postflop here, especially on the turn having put in 2/3rds of my stack.

Goneman'sfrustrationcallisanotherman'ssnapcall,imo G

Call pre is good, call down is good.

not a chance.

I have seen tons of people over play a,q like that...preflop you're strong. With no read and he's obviously aggro or calling preflop is an act from you and if nothey you HAVE to post flop push with no ace otherwise at baby live stakes it's neg ev..just considering how people play. I have even saw a,k buy bluff flops like that. If he's a shark and set mining value there's nothing you can do, but without a read on a new donkey (always donks unless proved otherwise at these stakes live) you ha e him dominated 7 out of 10 times.