Agreed. I'm just a bit unclear on how villain perceives hero.

V perceives hero's SB raising range as 99+/AQo+/ATs+/KQs

Just about perfect ranging except I would add 88.

I have been wondering if A-3ss and A-9ss are in V's raising range here. He probably believes I cbet my range on this board and most of it missed. Would he look to take pot before I have a chance to improve. Although the A would not improve my hand and it is a big part of my range. The spade on the turn would have added a lot of equity and he may figure fold equity + equity would be +ev. I would be curious what fold equity villain perceives after I call the flop raise.

lol @ folding

Lol at seeing this everywhere

No player should be showing up with a hand that beats KK here often enough to ever validate folding. A ton of you guys are all leveling yourselves into folding KK here and that is not winning poker. Mubs
What makes you think wj isnt capable of double barreling
54ss A5ss A4ss 65s JTs
Thats 11 combos of decent double barreling hands in wj's range not including some other rando hands he might be getting frisky with.
Compared to 6 combos of sets.

You dont do combo analysis and then throw it out the door and say "f it" hes got it i fold. You combo analayze and compare a value component to a bluffing/semibluffing component and evaluate your holdings vs that range.

I'm kind of torn here and don't know what the dynamic was really like between the two players but I think I like c/c the turn and jamming the river on most cards. Since Hero believes V perceives him as a nit who can c-bet I think his flop raise could be any low pocket pair 44, 55, 66, 88, 56, 67, 78, 89, T9 trying to steal a pot if Hero bet with overcards, especially if Hero's confidence is a little shaky. He also has to catch a flight soon and may not want to get involved in a messy hand.

$120 into $190 seems a little light on the turn where V may think since checked to he can take it down right here with a decent sized bet but doesn't want to commit too much of his stack in case Hero actually has a hand.

A lot of this comes down to the live dynamic and body language that cannot be explained properly over a message board. Now that I think more I am probably C/R shoving the turn or calling and jamming the river.

If he has a set GG for him but with 140 BBs this one would be hard for me to get away from.

This pretty much.

Folding too much is exploitable. But so is calling too much -- and when you call too much, instead of conceding implied action or small pots, you donate entire racks of chips before you realize that you need to adjust.

We're in prison no matter what we do, and really, no matter what we have. We bet/called the flop, OOP, against a good reg.

This is a non-helpful post, imo. Compare it to the one below that has the same conclusion, but supports it. This is a strategy forum folks, not a e-peen measuring contest.

There's nothing wrong with bet calling oop vs a good reg when we are near the top of our range and said reg is polarized.

Relative value our hands is = TT

I agree with HLB.

Our hand got turned into a bluff catcher.

I am calling down with what is the near top of our range.

Also I think assuming a 2p2er is a pro is not really basing it on facts IMO.

I doubt there are any $1/$3 professionals.

Yes it is and im calling down with TT as well. In fact i would call down with most if not all 9x in this spot.

Do you feel V2 preflop actions were legit error?

I think V1 is actually very relevant to the hand. Would V2 raise on this dry board with a set and shut out V1? V1's limping range must have lots of A9s,A2,A3, 89,9T,J9, 77,66,55,44 type hands that will overcall this bet.

V2 can have some hands like top pair and backdoor draw, str8 draws, and is using position on a nit who keeps folding to him without the nuts.
I guess V2 would normally call with a medium value hand agaisnt what he thinks is hero's raising range but in reality his medium value hands are actually either crushed or slightly ahead and have little value so bluff raising is better than calling and getting called behind by V1 sandwiching you with a weak hand that will most likely have to fold turn or pick up a draw and have to call in an awkward spot with villian behind.

I call and call most rivers but hope another spade doesn't hit.

Your hand looks like AK/Q, 99-AA on the flop, b/c and ch OTT brings it down to AK, TT-JJ imo. I like c/c, c/c to bluffcatch as V is repping sets (9 combos), suited one-pair hands A9/T9/98s (9 combos), and 4 combos 45s.

Given read, V's play looks bluffy as reverse value line 3/4 pot OTT sets up a river shove giving Hero just under 3-1 on the call ($215 to win $640). If you're committed to the metagame read then it's a clear call.

And, FWIW, I prefer stacking off about 125bb "deep" if we're properly rolled (if we want to talk exploitability)...

then you aren't really at the top of your range

also villain is repping 2 sets for 6 combos

I said 6 combos itt.
KK is the top of my call down range, 9x is the bottom

Your bet on the flop is quite small. It looks weak, as others have pointed out, $45 in pot and you donk $25 , villain knows you respect his game. When I know another player at the table , thinks that I am a solid player, I will abuse this respect all day long.

facts: board is very dry and basically you or v1 likely never have a draw here. This flop is unconnected to your raising range from SB. Your hand here is polarized to overpairs or ace high type hands.

consider if he had a set here, would he 3! you or would he flat , with another player behind to act still, with basically no draws available. He would likely flat especially with another player to act.

if he 3!'s , v1 probably folds most hands except a set, and you fold all AK , ace high type hands, and apparently all the way up to KK.

he is essentially repping, 32, 33, 22, 99 here. It is possible that he has a hand like TT , or JJ and did not 3! pre, and feels like he has the best hand and is betting for value. It is also possible he just has a hand like 9x, 3x, 2x, or just sees you as weak post , and is abusing your tendency to fold too much.

Why are we flatting the flop? give thought to that, and try to explain it. If you flat this flop, then why are we checking the turn... to fold , assuming villain has to always have the nuts since he bet again?

That is definitely a very losing play. If you are so weak tight, ofc he is going to run plays like this on you. If you are planning on c/f'ing the turn , you should just fold to the 3! on the flop. If you checked here, you have to call (or raise). Checking is fine because if we just lead, he likely folds.. but we are not checking to c/f. If you are flatting the c/r on the flop, its not so we can c/f the turn, auto assuming villain has a set. If you know villains c/r range is unblanced and is never a bluff, fold the flop. I doubt that is true though. I think villain probably sees your line as weak , and is c/r'ing here a lot with air, bottom pairs, etc. When you check the turn, and he bets, I would now c/r ship it.

I agree with alot of your points.

Just two things a) Villian did not 3! On the flop. He just raised us. So many people wrongly call this a 3 bet and its just confusing. It's only a called a 3! Preflop because the blinds are considered the first raise. This I not true on the flop.
B) c/raising the turn is horrible. Villian is polarised on te flop/turn so why we would ever want to shut out his bluffs. The correct line is c/c flop, c/c turn.

If Villian was a loose passive donk that only has sets I am fine with an exploitable fold on the flop. But we have been told Villian is a good player who likely will exploit the crap out of you if you fold the near top of your range.

I mean you hae to defend half of your cbets to not be exploited and since we most likely have alot more equity then Villian on this flop because we can have overpairs and he can't we shouldn't be folding the top of our range.

As HLB said you have to call the flop with a pretty wide range.

I think most of this advice itt is fine for 90% of Villians we face at this level but against this Villian we need to have a defence rather then bet/fold = print money strategy

villains range on the turn is not polarized though.. Like i stated in my first post , there are many more possibilities of hands than just set/air.. and i didnt even mention that he couldve turned a bdfd or something,

c/r'ing the turn is not horrible.. If we c/r AI, he has about $200 to call into $515 so a little over 2.5:1 . Lots of worse hands call a shove here with 2.5:1 odds. If we just c/c the turn, i suppose your plan is to just c/c the river as well.. villain may now check behind a ton of hands he was betting that we beat. Villain may not BE bluffing , but we also beat a lot of hands that are NOT bluffing here that call a shove ott , but can check back a river if we just call the turn..

There's a lot more in V's range here than just 22 and 33 (someone pointed this out earlier) i.e. 9x/45s/56s etc. When I'm deepstacked with another player to my immediate right I'm going to try and make their life as miserable as possible. We just cannot fold KK here everytime we get raised by a decent player.

Based on what I've seen on this forum wj's lines tend to be very aggressive (i.e. b/f b/f shove). Yes he will have a set here x % of the time, but I think we are also going to be good a decent amount of the time as well.

Knowing that he is aware OP posts on 2+2, is leaving and probably doesn't want to lose a big pot right before is a huge factor as well.

Edit: I like a check on this flop occasionally as well.

Good to know there's a pretty split opinion on this one. Have to keep you 2+2ers on your toes...

Has anyone suggested 4-bet/folding on the flop?

Yeah, I can just imagine. I posted a thread with some split opinions too a little while back, but not like this.

I prefer the 6bet-click-it-back-3-times-then-fold-with-80%-of-stack-in