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Old 07-03-2014, 05:05 PM   #1
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KK Oops

$300 Max buyin game

New game this is the second orbit. So far I've seen a several pre-flop raises to $15, a couple of re-raises to $40 that either took it down right there or on the flop with a c-bet. Game is overall loose with a lot of limping.
I should also say that it is common for people to buy in for $100.00 in this game and try to build it up. So there are a lot of short stacks.

Hero ($275) BB 60's white male
V1 ($200) UTG 30's hispanic
V2 ($175) UTG2 50's white male
V3 ($150) MP 30's white male

Pre-flop V1 raises to $15 and he gets 4 calls
I'm looking a KK I'm trying to figure out what amount to raise and get one caller

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Old 07-03-2014, 05:20 PM   #2
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Re: KK Oops

So I decided that $50 should do the trick
Everybody called. Any suggestions for the flop plan?
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Old 07-03-2014, 05:24 PM   #3
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Re: KK Oops

Are all the callers at $200 or less? If so, I just shove. Probable result is that I win $75 risk-free, and it avoids an avalanche of callers. Any bet that's going to get it head's up will commit us on almost any flop. Even if it comes in A-high, V could have a lower pocket pair, so we're just never folding.
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Old 07-03-2014, 05:30 PM   #4
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So I decided that $50 should do the trick
Everybody called. Any suggestions for the flop plan?
$50 is way, way too small. The initial raiser, who has the strongest range, is calling $35 to win a total of $160, so you're giving him great odds. Once he calls, everyone is (or at least feels) priced in.

On flop, I c/shove any flop with a K and c/fold any other flop with an A (unless it gives me a straight or flush draw). Probably open-shove Q- or J-high flops and hope to get called by top pair or take it down. Have to evaluate others based on texture, but probably shoving most flops in which I have an overpair.
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Old 07-03-2014, 05:35 PM   #5
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$50 is way, way too small. The initial raiser, who has the strongest range, is calling $35 to win a total of $160, so you're giving him great odds. Once he calls, everyone is (or at least feels) priced in.

On flop, I c/shove any flop with a K and c/fold any other flop with an A (unless it gives me a straight or flush draw). Probably open-shove Q- or J-high flops and hope to get called by top pair or take it down. Have to evaluate others based on texture, but probably shoving most flops in which I have an overpair.
I think you are right about pre-flop, I should have shoved right there maybe somebody would have thought I was FOS and called me, but most would have folded
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Old 07-03-2014, 06:10 PM   #6
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Old 07-03-2014, 07:27 PM   #7
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So I decided that $50 should do the trick
Everybody called. Any suggestions for the flop plan?
$50 is way to small. I think something around $80-$90 will work. You should be happy taking down the pot pre flop with $75 in from callers.
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Old 07-03-2014, 07:28 PM   #8
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Are all the callers at $200 or less? If so, I just shove. Probable result is that I win $75 risk-free, and it avoids an avalanche of callers. Any bet that's going to get it head's up will commit us on almost any flop. Even if it comes in A-high, V could have a lower pocket pair, so we're just never folding.
When you shove everyone folds their horrible hands and you only get called by aces.

When you have kings you make 75 dollars and the person with KQo loses 15. When you have KQo on a queen high flop you lose your stack and the other person makes 500 with pocket kings.

You are huge loser: http://tommyangelo.com/articles/reciprocality/
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Old 07-03-2014, 07:28 PM   #9
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So I decided that $50 should do the trick
Everybody called. Any suggestions for the flop plan?
We can't help you with a flop plan if we don't know what the flop is...?
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Old 07-03-2014, 07:44 PM   #10
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Re: KK Oops

With stacks this shallow...I'm just shoving all-in over the top...will look like a squeeze play. Have a feeling raising anything under $75 will just cause a waterfall effect, anybody willing to call over that probably will be willing to get stacks in now.
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Old 07-03-2014, 07:58 PM   #11
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Re: KK Oops

If you want better answers, I suggest waiting more than 1 hour and 5 minutes to post the results.

Overall, seems BBV to me.

Locked because there really isn't anything else anyone can say about the hand now.
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