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01-25-2014 , 03:36 AM
Private 1-2 Game, 10 handed. About 5k on table, deep LAGy Game. 300max buy, several regulars and familiar players. Game is about 8 hours old Hero and V1, V2 all opened the game.

UTG+1: 220, LAGy regular, just sat down
UTG+2: 200, ABC Noob
3+: 600, Total Spewtard, limp calls pre >70%, only folded to one 3 bet and called off 70% stack to 3 bet with J10 in earlier hand.

HJ: Hero, 430. Playing tight in loose game. Showed down nuts 2 times and one bluff. Fairly TAG image, table has noted in conversation that hero has not been limping or entering a lot of pots.

CO: Villian 1: 500, regular in game, played many sessions with hero. Limpy in small pots but doesn't usually get to showdown in big pots with 1 pair hands. Plays fairly narrow range to aggression preflop. Knows hero is generally playing tight waiting for good spots.

Button: Villain 2: 550. LAG player in for 600$, has gone broke twice. Consistently opens light, including 20+ pre OOP with AJos, 7s8s, 33. Calling all pre-flop opens <15$ with any pair, broadway cards and most suited connectors. Has shown down multiple bluffs in the session, usually bombing in weird spots. Has tendency to make hero calls and "go with his read" in light spots. Has played with hero in multiple sessions and knows he is TAG and cautions in LAGy games.

Action:

UTG+1: opens 11
UTG+2: calls 11
3+: calls 11
HJ: Hero (KK): Raise 61
CO: Villain 1:Calls 61
Button: Villain 2: Calls 61

UTG+1,2,3 all fold, Pot: 216

Flop: A95

Hero: Check, V1: Check, V2: Check

Turn: 6

Hero:________?

Also, what about sizing pre? What are we doing on the river?



Spoiler:
Turn: Hero Bets 80$, V1 Call, V2 Call: Pot 456

River: 8, Hero: Check, V1 Check, V2: Bet 175$. Hero Fold, V2 Call 175$. V2 shows 57, V1 Shows: AK

The 80$ seems too small. I didnt know what to do here, leading was basically hoping V1 whiffed with JJ, QQ or 1010 and V2 had no sets or 2pr combos or draws. Am I just giving this up on A high wet board that smashes alot of V2s range?
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01-25-2014 , 03:58 AM
I don't understand why you would check back flop but lead turn. if you were gonna bet I would do it on flop which I don't think its bad but I would probably like c/c c/f more depending on villans and bet size
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01-25-2014 , 04:02 AM
Good raise pre, there's tons of value in getting 60+ in three ways pre with these stacks. Good flop check too, mostly to save the stack if your beaten. Turn is an auto value bet, but river action is going to heavily depend on how the turn plays out. Sometimes the river will be a b/f for thin value, sometimes you'll have to c/f, too many ways it can play out.

The key is that the turn is an auto value bet. It's thin, but there's enough money out and good enough chance after the check around, that no one has an ace (esp a good one).
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01-25-2014 , 04:07 AM
This is a situation where I would check flop and bomb turn/river. If the villain in CO doesn't get stacks in with one pair hands he's probably folding weak aces on the river since your hand looks a lot like AK/AQ by that point.

The main reason for bombing though is that the LAG player would have certainly bet flop in position with an ace so we can safely assume we're good against him. So to me our hand will probably bluff off CO and get value from button if we check flop and bet turn/river. There are obv certain rivers that ruin our line and make it a c/c or even c/f though.
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01-25-2014 , 04:11 AM
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Originally Posted by aca
I don't understand why you would check back flop but lead turn. if you were gonna bet I would do it on flop which I don't think its bad but I would probably like c/c c/f more depending on villans and bet size
Once flopped checked it seemed less likely aces were in Vs range. I would expect V2 to bet >90% of flops when holding A, and given pre action I thought V1 would only have AK or AQsuited and would bet this flop.
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01-25-2014 , 04:17 AM
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Originally Posted by mr_wiggles
The main reason for bombing though is that the LAG player would have certainly bet flop in position with an ace so we can safely assume we're good against him. So to me our hand will probably bluff off CO and get value from button if we check flop and bet turn/river. There are obv certain rivers that ruin our line and make it a c/c or even c/f though.
Good plan indeed. It just tough cause 99, 55 and 66, 56suited are all in v2s range. What do you think for sizing knowing a number of draws could show up in V2s range and he is capable of bluff raising as my hand is somewhat face up as AK or KK..
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01-25-2014 , 04:24 AM
ya I agree that ax isn't in their range after checking back in position but personally I hate bloating the pot oop by only 1/3 pot even to charge for draws, and I think our hand looks kind of weak when we check back the flop which we would never do with a strong Ax and there are so many really bad river cards for us that we have to just c/f I would rather pot control it by c/c on turn
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01-25-2014 , 04:25 AM
Please bet the flop. I make it a b/f for about 150ish.
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