villain #1 (mp) has been short at a 1-2-4$ (mandatory straddle) for a while has been mostly getting it in pre and people fold for like 76-100$

villain #2 (600$) (co) lag with the ability to bluff pretty much any spot is not going crazy though when people are betting into him.

hero (utg+1) (cover the table) ks kd raise to 14$ (this is standard for my open in this game) v1 calls 2 more calls and v2 calls

flop: 3c4c5h

Hero: we are multi way and a super draw heavy board i check mainly for pot control. v1 bets 32$ folds to v2 calls folds to hero call.

turn: 10s
hero checks (im 100% certain v1 gets all his draws in here and i can just call off) v1 shoves for 84$ v2 tanks and calls 84$ hero?

I think if you cbet flop, you'll be able to have more defined ranges and avoid tough spots like this. How deep are you?

cbet 55 you can't pot control when you are first to act in a field of 5 players.

You played a value hand too passive on a drawy board so now you are lost in the hand, but I most likely call. What are the stack sizes?

I don't think employing pot control in first position against 5 players on a draw heavy board is the best plan. I'm probably betting flop to GII against a raise, since people tend to vastly overplay overpairs on this type of board.

isnt cb gii vastly overplaying our overpair here?

It's certainly fast playing, but not vastly overplaying especially against a lag who will happily get it in with a smaller overpair or two perceived overs and a FD.

I normally cBet this flop.
But once we check, doesnt anyone else like a ck/rs the flop to $200 or so and just shove the turn?

I think if we c/r flop the range we get called from Looks something like Ace Broadway of clubs, 67, 56cc, maybe some 68cc, a2, all sets possibly some like j7cc k7cc. Also I don't like getting in 300 bb with one pair when I'm playing with mostly regs.

I might just suck lol

Weird spot, I think you need to get some kind of raise in either OTF or as played OTT. VERY weirdly played by V2 if your read is right unless he has exactly something like Ac6c/small overpairs... a bluffer lag calling 2 streets with PFR still left to act is out of character for sure.

I don't think the lag ever has you beat ever here with such a passive line but he probably wants you to call because it improves his equity massively (hello nfd) or he is stationning with a small overpair. So with this being said, maybe shove turn? There is already 300+ in the pot before you put any $ in OTT and you have the best hand vs V2 everytime, it sucks donkey balls if he folds thought since V1 is uncapped.

Hands like nfd, 56, 66, 77, are not calling a river bet but WILL station OTT because lol live poker so there is a lot of value to be had.

I think against this many opponents I'm probably giving up on the flop w/the Kings.

It seems weak, but ...

Using PokerCruncher, I gave your four opponents the following range, which PokerCruncher identifies as the top 25% of hands:

22+, A8s+, K9s+, QTs+, JTs, ATo+, KJo+, QJo

There's a 63% chance that you're currently ahead, but you're only about 33% to win at showdown. The action doesn't do anything to convince me that you're in better shape than these generalized numbers represent.

If your reads tell you that no one has made their hand, you have to make a huge bet here to take it down or gii.

If you lack reads, just give up and lose a small amount of money.

No shame in mucking.

>>>You're not looking to play a huge hand w/just an overpair out of position against four opponents.<<<

I am raising somewhere. I like a check/raise on the flop to keep V2 in for one bet or a check/raise on turn. I'm not worried about V1, and it seems V2 would raise somewhere (definitely on turn) if he had a made hand. Get him off his draws or make him pay to see the river.

The problem is there aren't many draws v2 can have. The suited A and what else? 56 cc ? And those are both snap calls. So why is he tanking? And why wouldn't he raise? 66?

The situation seems very murky to me; I would call and c/c any safe river.

^ +1, yeah, very bizarre explanation for your decision.

You're forgetting 66-QQ. Also, you're getting 150BB in, not 300. It's 1/2/4 not 1/2. I just think kings are too strong to b/f on this flop since many players will happily stack off with plenty of worse hands.

if i cbet say 40-60$ and v2 raises to 180 or so and i jam 600 he is calling with everything that flips or crushes me and folding everything i dominate 66-qq is going in the muck.

also v2 range doesn't really have qq jj the 2 hands he might actually stack off with cause of pre folp action i am fairly confident he is 3betting here with 1010+

grunch:

hate the passive way you've played this so far ... but as played we are crushing v2's range. If he's ahead, he should be raising somewhere unless he has 76, and he should honestly be raising that too. Your description makes it sound like he folds to big raises, but I'd still think hard about a raise OTT, and maybe just shove. People hate hate hate calling a big bet and folding to a raise like this - should loosen up even the nits.

Alternatively you can c/c any river since he bluffs a lot, but that's boring