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07-03-2014 , 06:01 AM

a12

adept

Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 825

9 handed 1/2, hero gets dealt K

and raises one limper to 20/350. Hero is in MP playing TAG. BTN calls 20/200, SB calls 20/180, limper calls 20/155.

Flop ($80): 9

Checked to hero by SB and EP limper. Hero bets $60.
BTN folds. SB briefly pauses and calls. Limper folds.

SB has just sat down maybe 5 hands ago and bought in full. Hero has never played with him before. SB hasn't shown any hands so far.

Turn ($200): K

SB checks. Hero checks.

River ($200): Q

SB open shoves for $100. Hero?

Thanks for comments.

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07-03-2014 , 06:02 AM

wj94

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 7,951

Call. Just shove turn next time.

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07-03-2014 , 06:13 AM

matzah_ball

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Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 2,726

See above

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07-03-2014 , 07:38 AM

venice10

Referee

Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 25,855

Against an unknown, shove on the turn is best. We're getting 3:1 if he has a flush on the turn and only need 4:1 to redraw. He can have sets here as well.

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07-03-2014 , 10:28 AM

atsuss33

centurion

Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 191

I agree with the call OTR. You're getting 3:1 and there are missed straight draws he could have as well. I personally don't mind the check OTT.

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07-03-2014 , 04:41 PM

TJ Eckleburg12

Only Gives Out Winners

Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 15,131

Def shove turn yourself.

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07-03-2014 , 04:49 PM

myshadow

enthusiast

Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 50

If you're checking the turn, you're calling all rivers, but I prefer a turn shove.

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07-03-2014 , 04:54 PM

myshadow

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Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 50

What was your purpose in checking the turn, btw? Were you scared of hearts, or inducing a bet from villain? Slowplaying?

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07-03-2014 , 05:20 PM

iraisetoomuch

banned

Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 37,486

Easy turn shove 100% of the time.

Almost the only time Im not shoving turn is against agro villains who I think can own them selves by shoving with weak hands when you check scare cards.

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07-04-2014 , 01:03 AM

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a12

adept

Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 825

Thanks for all comments. I was initially curious about the river, but seems that turn is more interesting. Why is a turn shove good play here? Hero has position, and can get a free card to improve a hand which is potentially behind. I don't see what hand villain is flatting with on the flop and then calling again on this turn card if hero shoves?

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07-04-2014 , 01:12 AM

#11

Flushie

centurion

Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 159

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Originally Posted by a12

Basically, it is not usually a flush, but 1/4th of the deck kills your action on the river. (All hearts go check/check and Aces and other high cards cause fold outs) In your opponents mind, the king looks a bit inconsequential and may look like a card you are trying to bluff, so he might call with pairs, other sets, two pairs, and the AhKx. The value in the hand for you is on the turn. )
Also, if villain is checking flush OTT, then he is shipping the river and you are calling anyway unless 4th heart comes.)

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