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10-29-2013 , 08:54 PM

4betAndFold

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Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 75

Ive been in this game for about 4 hours and Villain for about 2. He is on.the nitty side, 50 years old and seems to play very.fit or fold but likes to see the flop. My image is maybe on the agrro.side but I always showed the goods.

This game is 5/10 and woud be like 1/2 in.the States. Eff stack is 1400.

2 limps i raise in mp to 100 w kk. villain calls on bt. bb calls with 300 behind and one of the limpers goea allib for 100 more. he is tilted.

what would be your play? reraise or call and play oop ?

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10-29-2013 , 08:57 PM

Garick

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Re-raise If he is fit-or-fold, you can prob get more out of him pre, but not likely OTF. I make it 300-400 to put the BB all in and hopefully also tempt V along.

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10-29-2013 , 09:41 PM

RyanAA44

I am the one who knocks!

Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 427

Your stack is 1400 and so is villains? I re raise to put BB all in, so 400. BB will probably have to call feeling committed holding something like AJ or AQ.

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10-29-2013 , 10:18 PM

Flushie

centurion

Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 159

Yeah you have to charge for someone to see three fresh cards when you have that much in the pot already. It will also polarize the last villains range. easy to play on all no A flops

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10-29-2013 , 10:26 PM

blakeatron

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Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 1,173

I don't think "polarize" means what you think it means. Re-raising and jamming almost every flop for value if villain calls though.

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10-29-2013 , 11:04 PM

4betAndFold

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Villain stack is 1400 i cover.

The reason im asking this is because i feel that 4betting can fold all his weak range that otherwise can call 100 more and flop something decent to continue. Im not afraid of stacking off against aa but feel that not always he is going to call with a hand like 99 or tt. If this time he had jj or qq (qq less likely because i think he would 3bet that) he can stack off.

Maybe im overthinking this hand and, as suggested, the best play is 4bet to 400 and try to play against bb and the limper.

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10-29-2013 , 11:10 PM

Garick

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Why would you want to give him odds to set-mine and ensure bringing BB in by flatting? You want a small SPR here. >10 is just awful for a big PP.

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10-30-2013 , 12:51 AM

blakeatron

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Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 1,173

The way we beat these players is to have them make huge mistakes. He is calling with a much wider range than you think when we 4b because he doesn't think about the game the way you do. We are getting as much money in as possible with what is most of the time going to be the best hand by far.

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10-30-2013 , 01:04 AM

dark_hatchling

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Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 338

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Originally Posted by Garick

Re-raise If he is fit-or-fold, you can prob get more out of him pre, but not likely OTF. I make it 300-400 to put the BB all in and hopefully also tempt V along.

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10-30-2013 , 04:49 AM

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Buster65

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Originally Posted by 4betAndFold

likes to see the flop

Reraise

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10-30-2013 , 05:05 AM

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madlondoner

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5,515

raise.

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10-30-2013 , 07:54 AM

#12

rm81

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,621

call

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10-30-2013 , 09:50 AM

#13

Lapidator

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Originally Posted by Garick

Re-raise If he is fit-or-fold, you can prob get more out of him pre, but not likely OTF. I make it 300-400 to put the BB all in and hopefully also tempt V along.

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10-30-2013 , 02:18 PM

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Az0r_au

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Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 941

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Originally Posted by Garick

Why would you want to give him odds to set-mine and ensure bringing BB in by flatting? You want a small SPR here. >10 is just awful for a big PP.

While I 100% agree with 4bet to 400, I just want to point out if we flat and other vvillains flat pot will be 800 with an spr of 1.5 not 10

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10-30-2013 , 03:11 PM

#15

Man of Means

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Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,106

Reraise. What do we gain from calling? Sure, we get an extra $100 from BTN, but we often lose $100 from BB preflop. Further, BTN may call the reraise with some junk like A8 or a smaller pair, but either way if you call and play a protected pot out of position, you don't usually get any calls from him postflop unless he has you beat. Might as well make it so he's going to have to pay to get lucky.

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10-30-2013 , 05:16 PM

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imagr0wer

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Originally Posted by Garick

Re-raise If he is fit-or-fold, you can prob get more out of him pre, but not likely OTF. I make it 300-400 to put the BB all in and hopefully also tempt V along.

Definitely this. Calling to me is letting them try and draw out for way too cheap...

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11-14-2013 , 10:56 PM

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rm81

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,621

it is not too cheap they do not have the odds to hit a set and it disguises the strength of the hand and they will stack off with one pair to you easier instead of fold pre

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11-14-2013 , 11:04 PM

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jambre

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+1 raise to 400.

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11-14-2013 , 11:12 PM

#19

jonmac

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Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 42

I agree this is always a raise. THe old guy will probably fold, then the BB will have to call 300 to win 800 with no one to act after him. He may make some crying call with a hand way behind your kk.

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11-14-2013 , 11:13 PM

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kre8tive

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Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,100

I'm raising in this spot the majority of the time, and shoving all non A flops.

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