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Hero (300) raises to 15 out of bb into 4 limpers with KK.

V1 (UTG, covers) calls. V1 is semi loose asian player who hero has only played 1 session with. Seems competent.

v2 (HJ, 120) Just came and sat with 100. No history.

Flop 789

Hero?

You managed to thin the field with your preflop raise, wich is good. With 4 limpers and OOP you could consider raise even larger preflop also. Getting 2 callers here is perfectly ok, even though HU with big pocket pairs are even better.

I am C-betting this board for pure value. Lots of 9x hands can call, along with any 10 or 6 for straightdraw+ slowplayed pocket pairs like 1010 or JJ.

If faced resistance on this board i have no problem getting away from my kings though. Prefer bet/fold line here on the flop and on future streets.

Hero bets 35, v1 flats, v2 shoves.

Hero?

U did not name the suits of the flop... I am probably reshoving here... He could have made a monster but more likely he's on a draw and wanted to get it in now

Assuming its rainbow.

Fold to the shove. Reshoving over a short stack after a smooth call by a loose guy whose pf limp-call range smashes this flop is questionable.

And i would open a bit more pf, you are playing out of position.

Folding is too nitty. He's way more likely to have one pair especially a pair with a straight draw instead of two pairs+. I'd reshove here. We're only 100bb deep with SPR of 6 agains two loose players. Also raise pre is fine. Obviously if they're callig bigger then raise bigger but $15 is my default

We are a bit more than 100 bb deep. Started hand with 150 bb and V1 who flatted flop covers and is still behind us.

If he had a monster he would have raised your bet instead of flatting...unless he had the absolute nuts in which case ur screwed but assuming he doesnt have J10 hes raising a monster.. My guess is they both have draws, or maybe an A9 in there

Also I agree with the people he said you should have raised more...25 pre w 4 limpers

sick spot but I would fold.

Unless the flop's monotone, I wouldn't call this "gross". "Scary", but not gross.

I likely re-shove to isolate, so if we did get out-flopped, we can hopefully limit our exposure.

Are you never worried about V1 having flatted a monster?

What would you do if you checked flop, V1 lead and V2 jammed?

I'm not reshoving.

But I am clicking it back over the shove.
I'm never folding here vs V2 when we have an SPR of like 2 against him, with an overpair on a draw heavy board. He's getting it in with any over pair that he played weird pre flop, any T9, T8, T7, 96, 86, 76, TT, 66, (as well as stuff that we are losing too of course.)

His range is just too wide. And if there's a flush draw out there, then folding to V2 just seems out of the question. I'd raise to $185 and cry if V1 shoves.
If V1 flats I'm shoving all turn cards that are not a J, T, or 6.

Kind of ambivalent here. Assuming limp/call then call/shove range for both Vs is JJ-55 and 45s to TJs and V2 will shove his draw....

Hero: KK 25.4%
V1: JJ-55, JTs, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, 65s, 54s 37.5%
V2: JJ-55, JTs, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, 65s, 54s 37.5%

Dead money when action to you is about $220 ($50+$50+$120).

Assuming V1 folds if you call shove, equity changes to Hero 46%/V 54%. In that case, you call $70 to win $200 or 3.1:1 odds

If V1 folds you're a 1 to 1.1 dog to win, easy call.

If V1 doesn't fold, you're a 1 to 3 or so dog to win... which is about even money.

Answer depends -- will V1 fold to shove?

I think I'm folding here and looking for a better spot, that flop hits both their limp/call ranges in the forehead. But calling doesn't look terrible either.

I feel like V1 would raise your c-bet on the flop with vulnerable hands on this board such as 2 pair and sets. I think the only hand we are very afraid of here that he slow plays is JT. And if V2 made it $105, how can we raise to $185? I shove here. Calling is out of the question, since we will be giving V1 a good price to call with his likely pair and a straight draw holding.

Those are not accurate ranges here IMO.

First off, V1 just flatted the bet OTF, so his range is not the same is V2 who shoved. Also, You didn't include any naked 8x, 9x and Tx type hands like AT and A9 in either range. I think we also need to include suited one gappers and possibly suited 2 gappers like T7s, T8s, 97s, 86s, etc... possibly even unsuited connectors and 1/2 gappers and hands like QJo and QT into V1's range.

To think this these Villains will limp call a raise with T9s but not T9o probably isn't accurate.

fitzthetaxman what are the suites of the cards? Monotone, rainbow, or flushdraw this info is important in order to place him on a possible draw

bet/fold all day

Sorry - flop was monotone

Monotone? As in all the same suit?

That's very important.

Do you have the King of that suit?

Sorry not sure what I was thinking... Rainbow

This is a horrendous job detailing the hand. You seem like the kind to buyin For 400, drink water, and sit in the 5 seat

Dafuq?

The more I think about this spot, the more gross it feels. A shove folds out the majority of V1's range, but we do occasionally run into JT (or get called by a hand like T8 that's basically flipping with us), and it's not like we're fistpump crushing V2's range enough to easily trump the times we get 150bb in way behind. Any non-shove raise is obviously committing us. Calling is meh, since V1 will be getting ~4:1 and can overcall correctly with a wide range, and we're going to have to shut down ott for about 30 possible turn cards.

Folding just seems so nitty, but I'm not sure any other line is clearly +EV.

I think the question is: What line loses the least in the long run of all reasonable scenarios?