1/3, 10player

sb: $700
utg: $100
mp: $200
co: $150 (Hero = k k)


preflop:
utg/mp limps, hero raises to $20, sb 3bets to $50, bb/utg/mp folds, hero?

in the hr I've been at the table, sb has shown no aggression either preflop or post flop.
he either calls, or bets out.
he has never raised, much less 3bet.

is 1hr enough time to trust a read to fold kk preflop?
What would you do?

you have 50bb and 1 hour worth of reads.

all-in, it's not close.

edit: sorry you lost.

He probably has you beat but with your stack size and his, it would be tough for me to lay it down. Unless you have more time with the player than just an hour, in that case I would fold.

Sometimes you just have to go with your live read, and if you think villain has AA here almost always then fold. But most people here are going to tell you to get it in 50 BB deep or you're playing way off from game theory optimal.

What have you done in the hour at the table? Been card dead and this is the first hand you've raised? Or been raising a lot and active and stealing his blinds?

For 50bbs, I don't think I'm ever folding KK, especially based on just 1 hour of play. I'm shipping.

ETA: It's also possible he's been pretty card dead in this one hour and not been dealt AQ/TT yet which he now sees as a monster (unless you've seen him passively showing up with these hands).

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Jam it in and hope he has QQ/AK.

I like folding big hands to super-tight players. I hate giving them action.

KK might be too strong for that, but if you have *that* strong of a read that he only does this with QQ+ and is heavily weighted towards KK+, then sure fold. If your read is right, and if it's a mistake, it's probably only a small mistake.

not even close. Especially for 50 big blinds

If we've seen him overlimp QQ on the button, and call one street on a J high flop, then check back turn and river bricks..... Then that would be enough (for me)....

Just saying, hypothetically, a lot of information can be provided in one hour. Or one hand.

Reads are incomplete. Has he been involved in pots, just never raising? Have we seen him get to showdown with a hand we would have thought required a raise? Or has he basically just limped and folded a few hands?

One hour is about 40 hands. He could easily have not had a hand worth even a light 3b in that time.

Folding here would be quite bad IMO. Shove and reload if necessary.

you can't judge someone on one hand after playing with them for an hour. We're basically playing kings with 50 big blinds in a vacuum, we have the second best starting hand in texas holdem I'm fist pump getting my stack in the middle of the table.

This and its not even close. Sure if the guy have AA its your time to go broke. Thats poker, and its impossible to protect yourself from not losing your stack from time to time. Those who tries to go down that road often happen to make their overall game worse than better.

All in every time.

This is an obvious shove. It's silly to pretend that fold could be an option.

I wonder if this thread is serious?

Folding shouldn't even cross your mind. If you had the same read over 10 hours of play you could start thinking about it. 1 hour is hardly anything.

Even gg isn't considering folding here. Ship it

I just really hate threads that go "I had this really sick read that villain was super strong, but I'm strong too - just not as strong as I think villain is. What do I do?"

If you're that confident you're beat, then fold. Period. End of story.

I had a hand a few sessions ago, where I check/called the nut straight on the turn (trying to invite some more action), and I check/folded heads up to a flush card on the river. I mean, i pretty much instamucked and hardly thought about it. Villain shows his 5 high flush. I grab my cards from the muck and show him. He and table were astonished. Two times earlier in this session, I called this exact same villain's river bets with underpairs to the board; one time I called him down with top pair on a scary board, and I was right every time.

I posted none of these hands because hands like this don't really belong here. I don't always know where my reads come from, but if I have a strong feeling, I trust my intuition.

Yeah, the truth is I'm probably shipping KK in this spot every time too because of some "rule" that tells me it would be bad not to, but honestly if I was in this spot and I very strongly felt that villain had aces, I would consider it more of a leak to go by some rule than my own intuition (which might include all sorts of tells that I'm not even consciously aware I've picked up on).

I play in a pretty small player pool of maybe 30-35 players. I can think of maybe one of them I would fold to in this situation, and I have 20-30 hours with him. Even then I'm probably gii this shallow. There's just no way you can fold to someone here after an hour of laying with them.

Lulz

Agree with the general message of this post but it does not apply to this hand imo

Math says go all in, his 3! range is primarily QQ, KK (but you block it) and AA and if you have a loose image, JJ. If he shows AA then it's a damn cooler, move along. A lot of nitty 1/2 players will just cold call with QQ though, so make the best live read and act accordingly, you can sometimes fold here and show the KK and he will be nice and show AA.

Nonono. Folding here is bad enough but showing is 100x worse

Showing was a dumb thing to do.


How do you know your intuition is right so often? Selection bias much?

/thread

The problem with thinking like this is you don't know if V is limping there all the time. Maybe V is limping QQ because the BB is super aggro and expects a raise near 100% of the time. Maybe V knows that the guy who lead out on the J high flop only bets with big hands. You just don't know what the V is thinking or expecting, which is why 1 hand + hour of play usually isn't enough info to hero fold KK pre