here it is my first post....

Venue : Crown Melbourne
Game : 1/3 NLHE
Villain : Asian +- 65yo
Hero : White Male early 30s

I have no history with this guy except for one hand an hour earlier when the table started. At this point we both playing for 300$ish.
Hero in HJ raises to 12 with As3s.
Villain on btn calls, others fold.
Flop(pot28$) : Kc8h2s
Hero bets 18$, Villain calls.
Turn(pot64$) : 5c
Hero bets 42$, Villain folds.

I show him the bluff hoping later on he wont give me any credit when i actually have a hand, and usually i do have a hand when i bet.

Otth.
Hero's stack around 300$. Villain has around 400$ and had been playing alot of hands out of any position, limpcalling, flatcalling 3bets etc.
Hero looks at KdKh in sb
The btn limps.
Hero raises to 15.
Villain in bb calls, btn folds.

Flop(pot33$) : 4s5h6d
Hero bets 22, Villain calls.

Turn(pot77$) : 7d
Hero bets 42, Villain raises to 100, Hero folds.

Now im really not sure what to think. Was my bet size on turn too small? Should i have check called the turn? Or should have just shoved it all in and pray for him playing A6?

Your thoughts plz ty.

I think both hands are well played, the bb has too wide of a range for that flop not to have smacked his calling range, there aren't any bluffs OTT that he can have sigh fold

Only thing I *might* change about the hand is your open size. Facing 1 limp OTB I don't mind seeing something like $18-$21 because you will be OOP against everybody and you want to decrease the spr otherwise both hands WP

E/ only bluffs v has here is A2dd A3dd or 79s literally 5 combos of bluffs vs an enormous value range

Honestly, if you are b/f this turn, you could even go smaller, 30-35 range

I'd have to agree with this...could we even bet more on the flop here though or is this sizing correct on flop to then bet 30-35 on turn or should we betting more on the flop to justify the B/F turn bet sizing?

This hand is exactly why you should almost never show a bluff. You got what you wanted. A real hand against the same guy who you are hoping will raise you at some point thinking you have garbage when you have a real hand. Only problem was it happened on this super scary board and now you have no idea if he has you beat or if he is raising cuz he doesnt believe you have a hand.

Interestingly enough I played almost the same hand yesterday but here's how I played it.

2/5
I open $20 AA and get 1 call
Flop 456. I check/call $35
Turn 7. I check/call $60
River K. I check/call $125. I tanked and almost folded. Maybe I should have.

Villain had AT

The point is that sometimes the board just sucks and youre not going to be able to pile chips in and win a big pot just because you have AA/KK. Checking and keeping the pot as small as possible on a board like this can be a better line especially vs an aggressive player. If you bet flop and bet turn, he can raise with his entire range and you should be folding.

You could agree though in your example a more aggressive line would have been something like 45/95/280 into pot sizes before each street of Flop: 40, Turn: 130, River: 320 and would have made your line of opening AA OOP and cc-ing three streets pretty difficult? A lot harder to keep pots smaller if we don't control them. Perhaps, check-raising the flop isn't a terrible idea here since we are ahead of the Villain already, he might just punt it off and we are printing here? Just wondering what you think about that?

Of course if he bet the amounts you mentioned, I would've had a much harder time and I probably would've laid it down. But someone aggro enough to bet those amounts when checked to is definitely going to take the hand away if you bet flop and turn.

How can check raising be better? It would only be better if he had a fairly big overpair also and wouldnt lay it down but an aggro guy with a big overpair probably wouldve 3 bet preflop.

IMO, if you bet that small on the turn, youre just waving the white flag vs a tough player. Hes going to raise with a very wide variety of hands.

What if he views you as someone who views him as aggressive and takes that line, added with the fact that he has position? Just because he "cannot read you" does not mean he won't attempt and adjust right?

Just asking to learn...

Now youre talking about meta game issues which changes everything and gets much deeper. This was literally the first time I had ever seen this guy. On a side note, he left and moved to the 10/25 game when they called it.

OP....My apologies for hijacking your thread. Just wanted to show a very similar hand for comparison.

Yeah my apologies too OP...but hey, probably learned something

Check flop. It's very hard to make money from worse because the board is so wet. The hands that can call have big play potential. 8s through 2s cool action and very often nut-up villains who can continue.

Good starting hand. Bad position and bad flop. You want to play a smaller pot, take a street off, and get to a showdown.

If the flop checks through and the turn bricks, then make a bet. This is almost identical to a hand in another post.

What about betting flop to get worse pair/draws to call, and then check calling the turn when scare card comes?

I probably raise to $30 preflop. It looks like an obvious steal, plus we have the recent bluff for image, but we now get in 10% of stacks and can easily setup a postflop stackoff on non-A boards.

Thanks to the smaller raise, we're now in a much more difficult spot. A higher SPR of 8.5 OOP, probably an SPR we don't want to stack off to and yet Villain could make us do that with 3 bets in position. On top of that, we're not sure if he's going to overvalue QQ- due to our previous bluff.

Typically, I'd just bet/fold on the flop and non-terrible turns, but I don't think it is as clearcut here.

I probably wouldn't have bet the turn. But it is also not an easy check/fold either given the dynamics.

A larger raise preflop makes postflop trivial (where I would have just PSB the flop and then sigh shoved on the turn, noting that with our image we probably get snapped of by QQ- even on this board).

GcluelessNLnoobG

You open to 10BBs in the HJ?

Do you mean would I open to $30 in the HJ with KK if it was folded to us (noting in this case we have a single Button limper and we're SB)? My game probably plays looser than most, but yes, I basically open to 10% of stacks up to $300 effective, and only then does the sizing start becoming an issue as to whether I'll get action. Course it depends on a lot of factors, but it's my default.

GplaysatagoodtableG

Disregard. I was looking at heros previous HH he used for reference and thought hero opened from HJ in this hand. Id still say $30 is too much though. Id go $20

For me it's simply about whether I can get action. The majority of 1/3 NL tables I sit at, $30 (while admittedly large) can still get action (lucky me, I know).

Gtabledependent,imoG

thnx for feedback peeps!