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Old 08-05-2013, 05:30 PM   #1
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KK flop set turn line check 1/2

Hey guys this is my first post here although i have read quite a bit of posts now on here. Here's the hand.

Hero(~108): Young, white, 19 year old dressed casually with a hoodie (it's actually cold..) and a snapback on, been there for about 2 hours. One guy has announced that i play tight, although i have really just been playing my position and playing it pretty well throughout the night. I'm down about 100 on the night after a guy just sucked out on me: Hand went as followed: Hero QQ four way pot, hero on button, preflop aggressor($68) flop j26 rainbow, bet half pot, min raised by v, two other fold, i call. ($138) turn 9 v leads for 100, hero all in, v calls remaining 68 dollars. river K, V shows KJ for rivered two pair. I show QQ in with a little bit of frustration. May look like im on tilt and this next hand happens two hands later.

V1(~300): 50's white Regular at this casino, played cash with me a couple times. Knows how to play his position but plays pretty loose. Mostly knows what he's doing although he does underbet the pot quite often. Eg: 10 dollars into a 70 dollar pot.

V2(~200): 40's hispanic, Bad recreational player, way overvalues his top pair and is relatively unaware of position. Bought back in for 200 after losing it to AK with AQ on a AK9,2,10 three diamond board. Chases draws for pretty much any price.


Hero is in mp and raises to 20 after 3 limpers with KK
V1 calls in HJ, V2 calls on Button, limpers fold.

Flop(66): AK7 rainbow. Hero?

With 88 dollars left what do I do?

I realize I played this hand kinda shortstacked. I was actually just about to leave before this hand came up. (Last orbit). I'll post what i did after some responses.
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Old 08-05-2013, 05:36 PM   #2
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Re: KK flop set turn line check 1/2

Call the shipping department and tell them to get it in

(sorry the other guy made his straight)
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Old 08-05-2013, 05:56 PM   #3
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Say same bet

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Old 08-05-2013, 07:07 PM   #4
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Re: KK flop set turn line check 1/2

It doesn't really matter, if they have an ace they're not folding. If they don't, it'd going to be hard to get anything out of them. I guess 15 or so might be a good size to get called by gutters and any piece
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Old 08-05-2013, 07:50 PM   #5
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My guess is you're committed at this point with this hand. Maybe give a free turn card to see if the either A) bet/bluff or B) catch a little something to cause them to call your turn shove. But there is a gutter ball broadway draw and these type of opponents may call a smaller bet here and then the rest on the turn with their QT/QJ/JT hands. Lots of options. I'm using the line I think gets me the best chance of getting it AI, so it's Villain dependent.

Based on reads/history I bet $25 here in a hope to make it look like a PP that missed and still feels the need to c-bet, hoping Hispanic Rec calls with his gutshot/Ace/King and the reg either folds out or smells weakness and raises. Either way your getting it in now or on the turn.
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Old 08-05-2013, 07:59 PM   #6
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Re: KK flop set turn line check 1/2

If you bet $15, and plan on going all in on the turn if it's a 10, Jack, or a Queen, then you are not allowing players with QJ, Q10, or J10 to exploit you. They are getting 5-1 immediate odds on a 10.8-1 draw. They must be able to extract another 5.8*$15 on the turn, or $87, to call. It must actually be a bit better than that since they might hit the straight on the turn while you make a boat on the river.

but there will only be another $73 left...

If you bet $10, and plan on going all in on the turn if it's a 10, Jack, or a Queen, then you are allowing players with QJ, Q10, or J10 to exploit you. They are getting 5-1 immediate odds on a 10.8-1 draw. They must be able to extract another 5.8*$10 on the turn, or $58, to call. It must actually be a bit better than that since they might hit the straight on the turn while you make a boat on the river.

And there will be $78 left, so you are offering them the right price to try to suck out.

I'd bet $15.
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Old 08-05-2013, 11:50 PM   #7
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Re: KK flop set turn line check 1/2

Ok, so I bet 40 on the flop, V1 calls, V2 calls, Turn: 3d, giving two diamonds to the board. I then shoved, river came Qd, V2 shows A3d for rivered nut flush. I thought maybe a shove would have gotten him out and i left too little behind on the river after the fact.
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Old 08-06-2013, 12:49 AM   #8
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Re: KK flop set turn line check 1/2

sorry meant to say 9d on the turn
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Old 08-06-2013, 04:20 AM   #9
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Re: KK flop set turn line check 1/2

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Ok, so I bet 40 on the flop, V1 calls, V2 calls, Turn: 3d, giving two diamonds to the board. I then shoved, river came Qd, V2 shows A3d for rivered nut flush. I thought maybe a shove would have gotten him out and i left too little behind on the river after the fact.
You played it fine. You got it in good and got unlucky. Reload.
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Old 08-06-2013, 04:22 AM   #10
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V2 shows A3d for rivered nut flush. I thought maybe a shove would have gotten him out and i left too little behind on the river after the fact.
Why on earth would you want him out? He had TPNK and a BDFD. He has 5% equity OTF and improves all the way 19 OTT. You wanna play against him all day and all night!
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Old 08-06-2013, 05:25 AM   #11
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Re: KK flop set turn line check 1/2

I don't care how many hands you have left, top off.

I would bet small, like $20 otf. We're giving Vs too much credit for having thoughts. 88-TT probably calls the $20 and then might feel too committed to fold for the remaining $65ish into a pot of $110ish. I know the case K is unlikely, but KQ and KJ also prob call the $20.

And with the idea of shoving any turn.
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