I have 2K at a 2-5 table. Villian is on my left with 900. Villian is a young aggresive player. He likes to act and say things to make people think he doesn't know how to play. From my experience he plays a good sollid game definately creative, but usually will have a strong hand when the money goes in.

I raise to 25 after one limp with KK. He three bets to 80. I decide to flat this bet, thinking at the time that a four bet would turn my hand almost face up, and did not want to play the hand out of position like that.

Flop is T46 off suite. I check call villians bet of 80. I decide to continue to under rep my hand and possible put in a turn raise.

Turn 7 Check check.

River is a queen, I check villian bets 500 into about a 330 pot.

Usually in these 2-5 games, big river bets are the nuts, but my hand does't look nearly as strong as it is. What is the play here?

i would call, you totally under repped your hand here and he can def be thinking you cant call a big river bet but you would call a normal sized one. i think qq isnt very likely because he would bet the turn, any set really you would think he would bet the turn. i think aq actually makes sense and he is jamming hoping you will think its a bluff. it does seems like over bets usually have the goods but you under repped your hand so much it is tough to just fold on that board

where did he 3 bet from? how often does he 3 bet? no flush on board I'm assuming?

I was three off the button, I believe. He was right on my left. He hadnt 3 bet yet. He did four bet twice to isolate small all ins. Once with kk and once with aj

it's tough given your read because you said he normally has a strong hand when the money goes in and he has to give you credit to some sort of hand because you c/c the flop oop but also like you said your hand is way under repped.

i think really the only hand he's betting you beat is AQ or air. if he really had AQ would he really bet so much? i'm leaning towards a fold but it's pretty tough

Your hand looks really weak. Like 88/99, maybe some ten. He can easily be making this bet with a queen (does he 3bet more than AQ?). Maybe even JJ if he's creative. The overbet is weird, I've seen tricky players do this thin to try to rep a bluff and get called light.
Hard to see why he'd check a set on the turn. He would probably target the top of your range for value there.
Weird hand so I call because we're so underrepped.

Also, I would lead the flop or the turn.

The opposite is true. You should 4-bet because it mitigates your positional disadvantage (while getting value, of course).

When you just call, you see a flop with relatively deep stacks out of position and you will almost always be in an incredibly difficult spot with a one pair hand post flop.

So 4-bet pre and don't fold. For sizing , think you can make it somewhat large and get it in on the flop. 250 gets you to the flop with a 500 pot and 650 behind for a slight overshove.

As played, you should lead river for value. Probably bet/fold.

As actually played, I guess I'd fold. It's a very marginal situation with a very marginal hand. He's not over betting JJ.

Fold, from what I see I think QQ here..

Fold.

Tough spot though.

Thanks for the feedback. I did end up folding. At the time I felt like I misplayed every street and did not want to turn a $160 into a $660 mistake. 4bet pre should have been automatic.

I like the flat preflop, but don't slow play both the Flop and Turn as well. You need to put in a bet or raise somewhere between donk betting the flop, check raising the flop or check calling the flop and betting the turn.

i like a 4 bet more than slow playing it all the way down but i def feel like slow playing it down and then folding is not the right move. he can easily think aq has you completely crushed, what can he have that he wouldnt bet the turn with? even qq he would be betting the turn, even a set he should be betting the turn. if your going to slow play then i think you need to call

why didnt you lead river? you played the hand very weak overall, i don´t think i could fold here. whats he repping?

I'm calling river, especially as you checked turn and river. It really looks like you just wanna get to showdown, so less than a Q makes the majority of your range.

Exactly. We played this hand so slow, why the f would villain bomb the river with a monster (set)? This is a bluff a lot.

Because he correctly reads us as taking a trappy line with a big hand and now thinks he can take us to valuetown with QQ. We flatted a 3! OOP pre-flop, if he is competent as you suggest he has to be including some big hands in our range. The check behind on the turn makes more sense from a pot control standpoint if he reads you as strong.

Do you really think hes checking QQ behind OTT putting us on KK or AA? Seems like FPS if you ask me...Our hand looks a lot like JJ. He checked behind AQ, got there on the river and is trying to bone us. Call. If he 2 outered us with QQ, thats gross. But highly unlikely.

This, bet the river

Turn is ok to me because you're still feigning weakness to get another bet. By the river you're pretty underrepped and it's time to put them to a decision.

I really don't think this overbet is a middling hand. It's either super strong or he's trying to get a fold, and without a good read I'm assuming super strong and folding.

I agree with leading the river, too.

+1 on leading river. As played though, I think it boils down to if Villain puts us on the hand we have. If he has seen us make a similar play with similar holdings. If Villain does not read us as strength, this is a snap. I mean, again...WHY WOULD HE BOMB THE RIVER? It just doesnt make sense to just shovel that many chips into the pot in this spot. If villain wants a call from our perceived range, he is going to bet smaller. Much smaller.

You're leveling yourself completely with this.

More often he thinks we're capped at one pair < AQ and is either taking a wierd overbet value line: KQ, AQ, TT, QQ-AA hoping we read it as a bluff or is turning his hand into a bluff with 99, AK AJs etc.

The thing is, he is more likely to have bluffs as his value range cannot be called much. He is more likely to make a standard river bet rather than an overbet with his value range.

We basically got exactly what we wanted by playing our hand this way. Esp. vs thinking player.

Fold happily.

Turn H check, V check
River H check, V 500 into 330 pot
Hero does not show a strong hand. If V has a strong hand, he over bet 500?.
IMO, this is not a value bet.