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05-18-2016 , 05:40 PM
1-2 game at local casino. About 150 BB effective.

Hero is TAG and been playing for a few hours.
Villain 1 is WG, reg, relatively solid but pays off in bad spots.
Villain 2 is WG, kind of looks cracked out or on meth(in the past not while currently playing) but seems to be playing a relatively straight forward game. Never seen him before.

Villain 1 in mp makes it $7
I reraise to $21 with KK
Villain 2 cold calls rr in the sb.
Villain 1 calls.

Flop: J73 Pot $65.

Villains check to me, I make it $50 (In retrospect I think this bet sizing is too big)

Villain 2 makes it $100, villain 1 folds.

Hero?
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05-18-2016 , 06:29 PM
You could flat and see what happens on the turn. Usually at this level min raises represent some kind of strength...some kind of flush draw or a set are likely and flatting allows you to see. Any check from V OTT you have to ship it.


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05-18-2016 , 06:32 PM
Either flat flop and get it in on most turns or just get it in now. Definitely not folding here in a 3b pot with an SPR just over 4 heading to the flop.
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05-18-2016 , 06:33 PM
I think you should go bigger with your rr pre flop ($28).
As played, do you have any other reads on vil 2?
Did he play any other big pots? Any other min raises? If there were, was he called? What did he do afterwards?
This is an interesting board for him to be minraising you. There is a flush and gut shut straight draw out there. If he had 33 or 77, min raising here seems like a mistake to me.
You had $300 to start with and have invested $71 with $229 remaining. The pot is $62 +$150= $212. You are getting great odds here. I think at this point I would call the flop/check the turn and reevaluate the situation with the turn card and vil2's reaction to our check.


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05-18-2016 , 06:43 PM
I would never give V a free river card...since flush draws are in V's range you should force him to pay to see the river.


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05-18-2016 , 06:44 PM
Feels kind of gross. Weird line for him to take with AJ and we aren't doing well against his stack-off range if he doesn't have AJ in it. Folding KK here without a read seems pretty weak. I guess that leaves us with call and shove non-club turns?
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05-18-2016 , 06:55 PM
It seems like a "see where I'm at" raise. I'd flat the raise and let him do what he wants on the turn. If he checks if the flush misses, I'd just push AI. If he pushes first, I'd try to get a better read. If he bets small, shove over him. If the flush hits, I'd check behind on the turn and fold to a bet.
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05-18-2016 , 06:55 PM
Call and gii on most turns. Would hate for him to fold AJ now. If a diamond hits turn, evaluate bet size, etc.
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05-18-2016 , 06:55 PM
His cold call of a 3bet OOP is very strong in the first place. Then his c/r OTF is even stronger. Given your read as 'straight-forward' we need to give him a pretty strong range.
JJ+ AKdd feels about right to me. I'd discount any other FDs or sets given his pre-flop play.

Since there is the possibility of QQ (and one combo of KK) I can't fold to the min bet. We are about a 45/55 underdog to the range I assigned.
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05-18-2016 , 07:00 PM
His calling the 3b is meh for strength...we are plenty deep for set mining and remember his position could allow for loose opens.


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05-18-2016 , 08:32 PM
I wouldn't assign an average 1-2 guy that tight of a range. Many people can't fold AJ/AQ preflop for that price.

On the flipside though, if he's playing a solid game, your hand screams overpair (cuz people only ever 3! KK+ at 1-2) and his c/r is basically asking for a call from an overpair, so that makes me nervous.

Conflicting information. Against this relative unknown I probably err on the side of calling down with my overpair.
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05-18-2016 , 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by jake
His cold call of a 3bet OOP is very strong in the first place. Then his c/r OTF is even stronger. Given your read as 'straight-forward' we need to give him a pretty strong range.
JJ+ AKdd feels about right to me. I'd discount any other FDs or sets given his pre-flop play.

Since there is the possibility of QQ (and one combo of KK) I can't fold to the min bet. We are about a 45/55 underdog to the range I assigned.
Bingo, my thinking exactly. A fold is out of the question imo especially since he's newer in my memory bank. He showed strength by cold calling then the c/r against an almost pot sized flop bet.

Opinions for pushing now or waiting? If we just call, chances are he'll set us all in on turn anyhow.

Tough without a read, while thinking about it I put FDs in his range, but in retrospect it would be a strange play unless he thought we were c-bet bluffing. If a diamond doesn't hit and he checks it shows a considerable amount of weakness, plus with a strong draw say FD and gutshot or AdKd he could just push now and hope we fold to a massive raise and he gets to see turn and river.
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05-18-2016 , 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by AbsoluteZero
Opinions for pushing now or waiting? If we just call, chances are he'll set us all in on turn anyhow.
If you push now, he might find a fold with AJ. If a diamond comes on turn you might be able to get to showdown cheaply. I think calling flop is best here. Losing AJ would be pretty bad here.
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05-19-2016 , 12:11 AM
+1 to gii otf. I dont think the majority of unknown villains are calling a 3! cold here with AJ or other hands you beat and minraising here to fold to a shove.
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05-19-2016 , 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by AbsoluteZero
Bingo, my thinking exactly. A fold is out of the question imo especially since he's newer in my memory bank. He showed strength by cold calling then the c/r against an almost pot sized flop bet.

Opinions for pushing now or waiting? If we just call, chances are he'll set us all in on turn anyhow.

Tough without a read, while thinking about it I put FDs in his range, but in retrospect it would be a strange play unless he thought we were c-bet bluffing. If a diamond doesn't hit and he checks it shows a considerable amount of weakness, plus with a strong draw say FD and gutshot or AdKd he could just push now and hope we fold to a massive raise and he gets to see turn and river.
we have the Kd
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05-19-2016 , 05:28 AM
As long as you dont fold anyline is good. With the Kd im leaning on calling and gii ott. Ofc jamming is fine too, or even minraise $150 is kinda funny and good as well.
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12-20-2016 , 03:24 AM
I would fold.

Did he show you Aces or a Set?
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12-20-2016 , 08:23 AM
Your pre raise is too small. You should have raised to $28 or $30. That's enough to price out set miners.

As played, I'd flat the min raise and evaluate the turn. You can still outplay him post flop and in position.
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