heros image is young Asian reg, been mixing it up a little bit but not much during this session, playing pretty tag, $205

villain hasn't been at table long but his neighbor just recently irritated him by helping his cards find their way closer to the muck after villain mucked his cards. villain was very annoyed by this and a short verbal argument between the two happened.
villain is bald middle aged guy, ive played with him several times, cant remember past history though. ~$300

this hand happens 3 hands after the issue..

folds to villain in HJ he limps
co folds
btn limps
hero in sb makes it $15
folds to villain who snap says ALLIN very aggressively
hero???

With no info on villain here except that he is tilting, this is a snap call. Most of the time he's going to show up with some sort of AK/JJ/QQ type of hand here and doesn't want to play with them post flop incase awkward boards come up where he has to potentially bluff/shut down. If he has AA here I think he just 3-bets instead of insta jams.

Also you have KK 100bb deep, I'd only ever be folding in any spot here if we had past history of villain being a super-nit. If he has AA well that sucks, but you're getting it in anyway. If you plan to fold KK only 100bb deep, than you should probably reevaluate how you play live poker.

easy call

okay cool just making sure im not an idiot for calling

guy had AA

lol at open limping/jamming AA For 150bb...

I just can't imagine playing that bad.

But I guess if you get lucky and someone has KK and raises behind you, then you're a genius.

Results given way too soon. This was a fold IMO.

We see this sort of thin all the time online, and now we seeit seeping into live play. What hand would the villain limp the HJ with? QQ? JJ? Nah, that would be either 55 or AA. Now what hand would he snap allin? 55?

Putting his entire 300 out there over a $15 raise, on average this will be the nutter butters almost every time. Out of 100 trials, this will be AA deep into the 90 percentile IMO.

Weak players just dont do this unless they have shown complete open shove tactics over and over etc. Someone just sticking their head up and shoving like this will be AA 9 times for every one time AK.

Would you play for stacks against him in a normal escenario? If your answer is yes then snap call. Dont give limp shove so much credit to fold top 0.5% please

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My buddy limped the BTN the other night with KK... SB raises... they gii... SB has AA. Da fuq? It also happened to BigSkip in LV... but...

I have seen rando spew do this too, along with hands like 77-TT. Hell, I've spewed like this before in the past. I'd want to see some hard data that this is AA 90% of the time. I just don't buy that.

+ 1.

Other aspect here is that since hero has $205, V probably sees it as effectively getting in 102bb rather than 150bb. With their stacks at $200 or less I have seen some players back shove 77-TT against aggressive players simply because a) it takes away any tough post flop decisions and b) they're a slight favorite against AK. Fits in well with the whole "I want to win a hand more than I want to play profitably" mindset.

Yea sorry I posted results so soon I just felt like this thread wasn't going to get any action bc everyone was going to say durrrr call and if he has AA w.e .... but I do have a question... if you feel your edge is huge postflop and don't want to run into these ugly played Aces or get unlucky allin pf vs a weaker hand the times he doesn't do that with AA could we just fold and look for better spots when were actually playing poker? I know that might sound ridiculous but I also feel like its ridiculous to pay of AA everytime u have KK bc omg I has KK and I know its criminal to fold KK preflop....just hate losing stacks preflop without AA when I know I can make +ev decisions postflop idk what do you think?

There can be no hard data which is why i said IMO. Different players will have different opinions based on the samples of these limp shoves in their own play history.

From what i see (and why i develop my thoughts), when some 1-2 player open limps and then shoves a huge stack allin as a 3 bet, it is most often a hand that cannot lose. They are doing the very common online Stack-A-Donk play hoping to catch others on QQ KK etc. And I said most often. Surely we can see weird things happen here and there, but i would make my play on what i think would happen most of the time. If i fold here, there surely wont be any exploitation since he has no idea what i folded, and his shoves cannot be profitable if he does them with any frequency at all. The first time though, i give credit rather than cash.

This could be true, I do see it being AA more often than not, but givin recent info that villain could be steaming I gave it more chance than usual for it to be JJ, QQ, AK or even a complete hero shove with weird things thinking hey you young punk tired of feeling like ur full of **** (even though I wasn't getting out of line) , f u I'm allin now fold ur $15 bc I just picked off your light steal from the sb.