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KK facing 4 bet then shove. KK facing 4 bet then shove.

10-17-2017 , 08:42 PM
Call. SPR is 2ish. The end.

Also don't see most Vs playing a set like this. Maybe AA though raise to 7 would be unusual. Looks like a flush draw but he shouldn't have many flush draws in his range.
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10-18-2017 , 07:15 AM
I'd definitely want some kind of live read here. Is this a young guy or an old guy? Is it a passive or aggro villain? Is he staring at you after making the bet?

In general, most 1/2 live players aren't 4betting without KK+, so we're chopping against 1 combo and losing to 6 combos, making this a pretty easy fold.

However, if it appears to be a young aggro reg that is capable of 4betting hands like AK/QQ, then I'm calling.

Whether or not you have the spade in your hand is irrelevant here, since flush draws mean nothing in 4bet pots.
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10-18-2017 , 09:26 AM
No live reads other than hes young and "looks confident"
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10-18-2017 , 07:51 PM
If you're not calling on this flop, then you should fold pre flop.
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10-19-2017 , 02:01 AM
Call if V ever plays AA or JJ like this then hes ******ed
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11-16-2017 , 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
I'd definitely want some kind of live read here. Is this a young guy or an old guy? Is it a passive or aggro villain? Is he staring at you after making the bet?

In general, most 1/2 live players aren't 4betting without KK+, so we're chopping against 1 combo and losing to 6 combos, making this a pretty easy fold.

However, if it appears to be a young aggro reg that is capable of 4betting hands like AK/QQ, then im calling.
Strongly agree with this. Now that we know what most people think, can you tell us more about how the villain played later hands?
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11-16-2017 , 03:18 PM
He has AA a lot but u have to call and hope he has QQ AK etc
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11-16-2017 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by DelusionalFish
If we assume he does this with AK JJ+ i think we have to call. But if he only does this with AsKs AsQs JJ+ i think we have to fold.
You really think his 4b small OOP range includes AKss, AQss, JJ?
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11-16-2017 , 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
In general, most 1/2 live players aren't 4betting without KK+
True.. but then by that logic, should we be folding this pre?
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11-16-2017 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by CWsports
With an SPR of 2 on the flop I am calling. If V had JJ or AA you would think he would just make a normal sized bet on the flop and then put you in on the turn. By shoving 2x pot on the flop he is making it easier for you to fold and why would he want you to fold if he had a hand that has you beat.
+1 / correct

KK was good here.
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