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11-01-2018 , 10:41 AM
Hero has been at the table for a couple hours.

V1: ($114) UTG - Been at the table for about 30 minutes. Buys in for the minimum (100) and on his second buy in. I was away from the table when he lost his first buy in but seems like a regular. Mentioned he likes to play PLO as well. Sitting at $114.

V2: ($350) SB - Older heavier white woman who also bought in short. She ran her second buy in up to $350 just because she hit some big hands. Really easy to play against. Stole a few pots from her where she would be small on the flop and make the same small bet on the turn on cards that would not improve her range. Also have made some really thin value bets because I don't have to worry about a bluff raises.

Hero: ($550) MAWG - Has not got caught getting out of line yet tonight. As I have gotten more comfortable with this table I have been opening it up more and ran up my stack mainly from stealing pots. Only pots I have won during show down have been relatively small.

On to the hand.

V1 UTG limps, 3 other players limp including SB (V2) who limps as well. Hero wakes up to KK in the BB and raises to $20.

Only V1 and V2 call.

Flop ($66) Q 8 2

V2 checks, Hero bets $30, V1 ships $94

Comes back to V2. She goes into the tank. She is looking at her stack, the bet, and then back to her stack over and over again. She never looks at me or my stack and seems unaware that I am in the hand. Obviously she knows I'm in the hand but that does not seem to be part of her thought process to call or fold. I don't think this is an act either. She is trying to determine if she should call 94 dollars and probably has no plan for later streets.

She eventually calls. She has a couple hundred behind.

Hero?

Last edited by thin_slicing; 11-01-2018 at 10:53 AM.
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11-01-2018 , 10:51 AM
Also I think V1 could show up with QQ or even AA here. I'm more worried about him than V2 but ultimately pretty confused. Usually V2 calling here is pretty nutted but I don't feel like that is the case this time.
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11-01-2018 , 10:53 AM
Allin.

She have way too much of KQ/AQ kind of hands in her range to consider folding at least. With a one pair hand and loads of money in the pot already/low SPR, i am just shipping flop here.
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11-01-2018 , 11:01 AM
Meh we aren't folding so just shove and hope V2 won't fold a Q.
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11-01-2018 , 11:17 AM
Easy jam. Especially if your read on her is weak/unsure.
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11-01-2018 , 01:47 PM
Is this a trick question? This hand doesn't seem that difficult to analyze.

Neither player raised preflop or 3-bet your raise. Therefore, it is highly unlikely that either has AA or QQ.

The flop is as dry as it gets. V1 may have a set of 8s or 2s, but he will have to show that one down. There are way more Queens in his range. You are probably ahead, but if not, that's poker.

I'd be shocked if V2 has two-pair or better given the tanking you described. V2 most likely has a pair Queens with a marginal kicker. You're ahead.

I think this an easy raise to play for the rest of V2's stack.
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11-01-2018 , 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by the_dude_174
Easy jam. Especially if your read on her is weak/unsure.
I had the opposite feeling that she could be very strong here given how flustered she is.

I don't see much more value in a shove. She's prob not just going to call off with QJ-. It's too optimistic and the fact she is so flustered is not good for us. I don't think our hand is necessarily bad but we pick up more information later. Actually it isn't a bad spot to engage in some table talk and see if you can pick something up.
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11-01-2018 , 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by mxp2004
Is this a trick question? This hand doesn't seem that difficult to analyze.

Neither player raised preflop or 3-bet your raise. Therefore, it is highly unlikely that either has AA or QQ.

The flop is as dry as it gets. V1 may have a set of 8s or 2s, but he will have to show that one down. There are way more Queens in his range. You are probably ahead, but if not, that's poker.

I'd be shocked if V2 has two-pair or better given the tanking you described. V2 most likely has a pair Queens with a marginal kicker. You're ahead.

I think this an easy raise to play for the rest of V2's stack.
I actually think QQ or AA is going to show up here more than 22 because he is limping UTG and calling 1/5 of his stack preflop. I've seen a lot of short stack players play big PP's like this.
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11-01-2018 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by mdelore
I had the opposite feeling that she could be very strong here given how flustered she is.

I don't see much more value in a shove. She's prob not just going to call off with QJ-. It's too optimistic and the fact she is so flustered is not good for us. I don't think our hand is necessarily bad but we pick up more information later. Actually it isn't a bad spot to engage in some table talk and see if you can pick something up.
Usually cold calling this type of bet is nutted, especially with it not being a draw heavy board. I just had the feeling that it wasn't in this particular situation.
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11-01-2018 , 02:16 PM
Shipping it and feeling very good about it.

You can also just call if you think she will fold and lead 80-120 OTT.

You said she's easy to play against and made monster hands before, so by that definition of her you should of let you know if she had a monster because she's easy to play against.

Shes showing up with AQ,KQ,JQ 99999% of the time here.
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11-01-2018 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by thin_slicing
I actually think QQ or AA is going to show up here more than 22 because he is limping UTG and calling 1/5 of his stack preflop. I've seen a lot of short stack players play big PP's like this.
Respectfully disagree, but in any event, it doesn't matter. At this point, V1's range looks something AA through QQ, 88, 22, AQs, AQo, KQs, KQo, QJs, QJo, and QTs through Q2s. You've got about 61% equity against that range (without taking into account V2's hand yet). There's no question that you must continue to play against V1, especially given the size of his stack.

The only real question about this hand is whether you should be willing to play for stacks against V2, the deeper stack. If V2 is ahead, she played this hand in a weird way. She passed on the chance (i) to raise preflop when the action was on her; (ii) to 3-bet preflop after your raise and a call behind; (iii) to lead the flop; and (iv) to re-raise V1 on the flop to isolate him. She probably doesn't have a monster unless she's using some 3-dimensional level chess mind game against you.

Don't out-level yourself. Assume that a 1/2 NL player plays their hand in a straightforward way until they show you otherwise. This is an easy and correct raise based on sound poker logic. It doesn't matter if you actually lost the hand. If you raised, you made the best decision based upon the information available to you.
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11-02-2018 , 09:48 AM
Results:

Hero did not trust his read on V2 and folded.

V1 had 22 and V2 had KQo.

Not sure if V2 would of called a shove from me. I would put it at a 15% chance she would after watching her play for a couple more hours.

Also V1 had the hand I didn't think he would show up with as often.

Thanks for the feedback.
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