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02-23-2016 , 03:11 PM
As played, either bet ~$120 to get called by his entire range, or try to Zeebo and bet like $450 to look FOS. He probably doesn't have AA as played, and your line plus the board texture is just so goofy.
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02-23-2016 , 03:15 PM
What, exactly, do you guys think V puts H on? If you were V, would you call river with JJ (or 99, which I highly doubt V has)?
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02-23-2016 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Javanewt
What, exactly, do you guys think V puts H on? If you were V, would you call river with JJ (or 99, which I highly doubt V has)?
Pf 3-bet and a check on that board sometimes looks like AK.
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02-23-2016 , 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Javanewt
What, exactly, do you guys think V puts H on? If you were V, would you call river with JJ (or 99, which I highly doubt V has)?
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Originally Posted by Hardball47
Pf 3-bet and a check on that board sometimes looks like AK.
this.
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02-23-2016 , 03:47 PM
Trying to approach this from a combinatorics perspective. My pre-flop read was that he likely had JJ+ and AK, with some lower pocket pairs (down to 88). Let's assume he never calls us with 88 or 99 and he obviously isn't calling us w/ AK. So, what does he call us with and how many combos:

1. AA - 6 combos available, but presumably most of the time he 4-bets that pre-flop. If he didn't 4-bet AA, his post-flop play makes perfect sense with AA. Say there are 1-2 combos of that and they all call.
2. KK - Only 1 combo available, but otherwise makes perfect sense for his line. Probably calls with it, but could fold it which would be great for H as we'd inadvertently bluff him off the chop.
3. JJ - 6 combos available and presume they're all in his range pre-flop too. Would make a lot of sense for how he played this hand, and assume he calls about half the time with it. So, say that half of his JJ combos call, that gives him 3 calling combos.
4. TT - 3 combos available, and the way the action played out post-flop it doesn't make a lot of sense. However, if he had TT that he was slowplaying, now that he's fallen behind he could make a frustration call with it. Give him 1 combo of TT that calls.

So, on this analysis, there's 1-2 combos we're behind that are calling, and 4 combos we're ahead of that are calling, so looks like a value bet is in order. A little extra bonus for making him consider folding KK which is a chop. However, this is very sensitive to my assumptions about (I) how often he just flats the 3-bet OOP w/ AA and (II) how often he calls on river with JJ.
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02-23-2016 , 04:09 PM
AA & KK should be betting turn, so he's got a weak range here like JJ or even 99. We need to bet small enough where he's tempted to bluff catch.
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02-23-2016 , 06:03 PM
Thanks all for the thoughts. Rare for me to play this deep at a casino against someone I only have a few hours history with so the conversation is helpful.

2/5 cash game, around 3 PM on Saturday.

V ($1700)- 30-ish black male. When H sat down 3.5 hours ago V had about $1600 and has hardly played a hand since, though he missed a couple of rounds. Has hardly played a hand. Only got to showdown once, where he called a raise pre-flop and played pretty passively with JJ to win a medium sized pot. Has maybe opened one other time, and called a couple limps but not otherwise involved. Seems to be paying attention though. Read on V is that he's not getting his stack in without the nuts, so if I play a big pot with him want to make sure I'm the one coolering him. My general view has been to stay away from V, he seems competent and nitty.

H (covers) - 35 y.o. white male. Been reasonably active. Won a big part of my stack by raising KQs, flopping top pair and a gut shot on KJ9r, turning a flush draw on a 7 and rivering the second nut flush. Bet all streets including a big bet on river after making my flush and got paid.

Folds to V who raises to $20 from MP. H has KcKh in the CO and raises to $65. Folds to V who calls.

Flop ($135) - QT7ss. H does not have the Ks. V checks and H checks behind.

Turn ($135) - QT7ssQd. V checks. Hero bets $75. V calls pretty quickly.

River ($285) - QT7Q - River is a Q, which doesn't complete any flush draw. V checks again. Hero bets $150. V calls and shows:

Spoiler:
The other KK for the chop. Then says to H "you know I'm not calling with jacks, right?"
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02-23-2016 , 07:15 PM
Sounds about right
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02-23-2016 , 07:26 PM
called it
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02-23-2016 , 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by MIB211
"you know I'm not calling with jacks, right?"
Lol
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