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I think either $140 or a shove are the best options. I like a shove to make it look like AK and get called by AK/QQ/JJ. If we make it $140 he's most probably just going to flat those hands. $200+ looks too strong as we are obv stacking off and will put him in shove or fold mode with him folding most of the time.

I actually kinda like this, my sizing earlier was value raise sizing but obv were never getting shoved on by worse so why value raise? Shoving does make it look weaker and that might be the only case we get called by jacks or queens, IF we do end up raising instead of flatting.

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01-19-2014 , 09:56 PM

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Barbra Streisand

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165

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01-19-2014 , 11:32 PM

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Mr_Doomed

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His min raise is curious. Get him to level himself and min click this again. Makes it 150-165 and call it off.

Edit: flatting is only ok If we are in position so V will still c bet with AK when he misses. We don't want to miss value from hands that won't call it off on the flop. By min clicking it back he is going to still call with JJ QQ and AK but if we flat we are missing value from those hands IMO

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01-19-2014 , 11:37 PM

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peckx063

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Originally Posted by TampaGrinder38

Concensus is that this def a flat, but in the case we do 5! given stack sizes, what type of range could V assign us? SPR is going to be extremely small OTF setting up a shove OTF, so our range doesn't consist of many non-value hands.. QQ+ & AKs is THE ABSOLUTE WIDEST we could have, and any decent player is going to be able to play perfectly against us situationally.

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In this spot I think he can put us on like 99+/AK/AQs/Air

It's kind of dumb that we are trying to range this though without actually being there and feeling the situation. imo people level themselves a bit when there is a history like this though.

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01-21-2014 , 08:05 PM

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cAmmAndo

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Originally Posted by peckx063

This is true. I tried to word the op to indicate the possibility of a leveling war as that was my sense at the time.

I elected to 5b to 210 which if villain was going to make a mistake in the hand gave him the best chance.

Villain shoved for 450 total. I called and he showed AQo.

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01-21-2014 , 09:42 PM

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BeauVanny

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Make it 230 and don't fold to a CRAZIAN with KK pre flop!

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01-22-2014 , 12:05 AM

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progress

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flat. let him donate.

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01-22-2014 , 01:55 AM

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daniel9861

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Lol you must've had him on full blown monkey tilt. Guess the money was going in pre regardless.

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01-22-2014 , 03:25 AM

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jml59

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Flat and let him barrel. With an SPR under 2.5 you don't want to let him off the hook if you have him beat and you're gonna get it in pre anyways if he has u beat. Flat any flop bet and turn. Let his aggressiveness work against him. Don't show any more strength.

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01-22-2014 , 02:45 PM

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Dirty313

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Originally Posted by Neutrogena

That's because live doesn't require balance.

this exactly, call and get it in on the flop

5betting is a terrible play IMO

his range may include 65s-QJs and radom Axs bluffs as well as AQ+JJ+

5betting will make him muck his air

also even if an ace flops-just call it down: nh

flat the 4bet and shove the flop on a non-ace board

easy game

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01-22-2014 , 02:47 PM

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Dirty313

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Originally Posted by cAmmAndo

didnt read this but ya you leveled him i guess. still a terrible play on his part. you got luck he is a crazian and doesnt realize that you were probably not 3bettign his utg raise light. i wouldve mucked aqo to a 3bet oop

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