Villain - Buys in for $800 and already seems kind of mad. We hit a promo for $500 and he claims he could of really used the money. Joking or not??? Not really sure - but he didn't buy in for the max. $1000 is the max


Hero - I've played with this guy before and he doesn't do anything too out of line. I am going to assume villain is going to be playing straight forward.

Hero is dealt KK and goes $20 UTG
2 callers - players who are pretty weak and call too much
Villain is in BB and goes $120

Hero???

4bet or call?

Villains range is almost always JJ+ - AK+ maybe AQ??

If we 4bet $250ish and he jams i'm gonna say we might be up against KK+???

Fist pump 4bet. If V is already mad might as well just jam. It seems like you stand the best chance of getting some tilty action right now. If he has AA then nh reload.

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if you 4-bet you should go bigger than $250. Also snapping off if he jams. Flatting is OK too since you are IP.

If you're going to 4-bet, it has to be all in. Anything else looks way too strong to get called by much worse, except AK. It's gonna be hard for AK to make a pair of K's, we lose to a pair of A's, and we aren't getting paid much if he whiffs with that hand.

So I'll pass up some value against AK in exchange for max value against QQ/JJ

Id usually just 4b to $260-300, or because that's already about 1/3 of stacks, we could just shove. Shoving even disguises our hand somewhat (aka will be interpreted more as a scared JJ/AK type hand by weaker players). Depends if we think he's the type to call it all off pre w/ JJ-QQ/AK, and/or how he reads & reacts to small reraises pre, etc.

As a general rule, you can ignore the risk of AA v KK unless you are >200bbs. That **** happens, there's not really a way to avoid it, and it goes both ways. Plus, effective stacks are 160bbs here. So without some stone cold read, try to max value here instead of getting MUBSy.

4b to 250-275. Calling should be out of the question. Call a jam.

Don't 4b shove. Nobody 4b shoves these stack depths without a pure nutted range.

$280 4!

I’d probably go $290 or $295 here. It’s a good leverage amount to appear like you’re not pot committed to a re-shove. He may slightly widen his 5b range if he thinks you’re protecting yourself with your bet size. I think going smaller than that looks suspicious, as does a jam.

I think calling in position is superior here. His range should be pretty tight from bb vs utg. Easier to get more money from QQ and JJ by flatting then a 4 bet.

did I miss it or is Hero's stack unknown?
I think it matters in considering jamming or 4bet bombing

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Call.

I can't call here. My vote is 4! to $300. Obv snap a jam.

I don't know that V calls if we 4! jam here.

If we call here, we give MP1 2.8 to 1 on a call, 3.8 to 1 for MP2 if MP1 calls. I see potentially going 4 ways to a flop here a lot worse than going up against AA. I would 4bet to 300ish, and snapping off. KK vs AA is going to happen, but one day you will be the one holding the AA as well, maybe just not the next time.

4b to 240. Snap call off


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You missed something. It’s in the opening thread. 160bb or $800. I cover

I'm in the 4! to $280-$300 camp, snapping it off if V jams.

Ip, I prefer flatting here and let steaming V continue with AK/AQ/QQ/JJ.

Could argue that he will call a 4b because of his tilt. Still, I think a flat looks weaker than a 4b.

coming to the table mad ;jazzing up the pot with an "announcing my prescence with authority 120 bet" and the chance to put this Viliian on life tilt.
Priceless.... I jam all in

You're an ******* if you make it 290 or 295.

This is one of those spots where I feel like I'm going crazy.

What exactly is the question?

The two players behind us are described as calling too much. This means at least one of them is likely to call if hero just flats here. If this happens, we see the flop between the 3b and a suckout champion. That's the only meh part about this spot.

Since V 3b to $120, as long as you 4b to anything, even a min $220, you're totally fine no matter what happens. If V calls, we have an SPR of about 1 and change otf, which we love. If V raises, we can comfortably stack off unless we suddenly decide he all of a sudden grew a nit out of the back of his head.

Just to make things easy, I 4b to $300.

I would make this $360

why make it $250-$300 vs going to 3x his raise?
(sorry I'm always learning)

I don’t like going to 360 because what pot odds will we have when he shoves?
440:1200?
It’s not like we can even fold A4s for those pots odds. So it makes it kind of transparent that we’re just pot commuted if we put that many chips in. That’s why I like the small 4b. Like 240. Now we get 560:1100. Ok, now villain may think he has some fold equity if he shoves with AK or something.


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I would just shove over the squeeze. It's the best way to get value IMO. You could do it with AK as well to be sure to see the whole board. 4betting small looks so suspicious UTG, it won't get more calls. I don't even have a 4! bluff range for balance in this spot. So shove and hope that he'll think you're spazzing with a medium pocket pair or AK.

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