Would like some input on a hand I played. 1/3 NL, local card room, first time playing NL here although I used to play a lot of 4-8/6-12 Limit here. Switched over to Cash NL couple years ago.

Hero: 30ish, Just sat down bout 30 mins earlier, bought in for 200 (max is 300). Had couple good hands I scooped without a showdown (AA, AK). I'm probably regarded as aggro (I'm really not very aggro) since it was a limp fest and I was only one really raising and 3betting. Stack about 260.

V-1: Old white dude 50ish, stack of about 400. Nothing noteworthy, saw him limp and fold a few times, I did hear him talking about a cardroom where he was supposed to be help opening up in Truckee so I assumed he knew what he was doing.

V-2: Another old white dude 50ish regular it looks like, stack of about 200, nothing on him at all except him crying about paying $8 for ice cream there. Limp folded a couple times as well.

Hand: I'm in MP with KJs, 1 limper, I raise to $13, V-2 on button calls and V-1 in BB calls, limper folds, 3 way with $38 in pot.

Flop: J74 rainbow

V-1 checks, I bet $20 (too small?) both call. Pot now at $98.

Turn: Ad putting FD on board now

V-1 checks, I bet $25. V-2 calls pretty quickly and then V-1 takes his time and raises to $85.

I go into tank, I don't like my spot, I don't like my turn bet at all and I'm thinking V-1 flopped a set on me (44 or 77) maybe A7 or A4, V-2 I'm thinking top pair maybe J10 or JQ or turned possible flush/straight draw on turn with 56d. Again I think of all this after I got check raised. Horrible.

Any suggestions? Call, Fold? My mistakes? Small flop bet? Horrible turn bet, should of checked I think? Raise more pre? Limp pre? Fold pre?

Thanks

Pre is good.

Post the bet is too small even on such a dry board. I would go 25.

Turn is fine to let check through and try to get to showdown.

Obv after c/r just fold.

multiway I fold.

Flop bet is a little too small.

Turn is a pretty clear check. There's not much value for you there, and at best it's one street.

I guess I'm doing it wrong. I like pre, but I'm betting smaller otf (15) and checking the turn.

Just read Ike's post

Any reason not to top up to max BI? Actually, I guess if you're not comfortable in the game (which it seems postflop you might not be) it might not be a bad idea to play short (and tighter).

I'd rather over limp this hand in MP. We've already been raising a lot, so just that much less of a chance of getting things HU in position (our goal), more likely to go 3way (ok) or even greater (which sucks), plus being in MP there's a better chance we end up OOP to someone (which also sucks). Plus we often end up hitting a dominated TP here against this crowd. ETA: Even though everyone else seems ok with preflop, I'm not. This hand plays fine multiway, so lets just try to get into a pot for cheap with a great multiway hand with a sky high SPR and see what happens. If we were in LP with just 1 limper, ok, different story. But from MP, meh.

I think a small 1/2 PSB is fine on the flop. The board is pretty drawless (other than 65). When both players call this dry flop, players who look like they are just trying to see a flop and hit, I think I might consider being done with this hand.

I probably just check the turn. We're really not getting value from too many worse hands (or are we really expecting to get 3 streets of value from QJ/JT/etc., the only reasonable hands we are really targetting, especially now that an A has come?). I probably check/fold here, especially after getting 2 callers on this bone dry flop.

Betting quarter pot on the turn probably is asking to get played back at, if anyone is capable of playing back at. But as played, I'm folding pretty easy here. If V1 is playing back at the weak bet and call, then good for him, but it's more likely he has a hand that crushes ours and is simply trying to protect it.

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Turn check raise, esp. multiway always screams of strength to me.

As played and analyzed post-cr, I think c/f turn is best option.

Thanks for all the feedback, consensus with exception of Gobble was Pre ok, flop too small and turn check.

To finish the hand, yes I did fold although I did feel just like Gobble stated, that my turn bet was asking to get played back at, almost begging too esp since I had raised a few times coming in and didn't have to showdown so I did think for a bit. But I did fold. V-2 called and river came a black 3, and V-1 put 100 out there instantly and V-2 called. So I was shocked to see V-1 roll over K10d for a busted flush draw/gutter draw and V-2 turned over QJ for mid pair. They then got into a lil arguing match about how bad each other plays and blah blah blah. V-1 and V-2 both told me they 'knew' I had jacksh*t which they wrong about but I think that's why V-1 took a shot at the pot.

And to answer why I bought only 200 as opposed to 300. It was my first time playing there and just felt like buying in a lil shorter to feel out the regulars and the flow of the table. The table wasn't deep at all, 400 was biggest stack, few guys even had less than 100.

Back to the hand, I def should of checked that turn and re-eval the river. It might have gotten checked around or I could of made a thin value bet (prob would of just checked).

On a good note I did book a nice +500 win for the nite, flopped 2 sets and ended up stacking V-1 on one of them.

Pre is fine. Flop bet is a little small, turn bet is bad. This should be a x/c and your bet of 25 look super weak.


As played, fold.

Might want to re-evaluate our assumption that V1 knows what he is doing; his flop overcall OOP with K high and only runner runner draws is spewtastic.

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Haha yea I know, I m just guessing he was flatting the flop OOP with air in a multiway pot to take it away on the turn and turn in his eyes was a perfect card for him along with my weak bet, it's something I personally wouldn't do but hey to each his own I guess.

I stacked him later that night when I flop top set on a 10 9 7 board when he flopped middle two pair. I think he was on tilt from the previous hand when he got called by QJ.

Flop bet is spot on. Board is very dry.
Pre and flop fine.
Turn as stated by others, is a check/fold

I wouldn't x/f turn. We were losing to AJ (now less likely) otf and only now lose to A7/A4 floated aces and sets, perhaps J7s. Given that the V's have been limp folding, I doubt they are floating with aces all that often, though it is possible with our bet size otf. I'd say the ace isn't much of a scare card for us that we should completely shut down.

The ace looks kinda scary, but given our aggro image I don't think V's are giving us that much credit for it and might think we're bluffing more often than not.

They can have all worse J's, some 7's, 56, 89 8T T9 which are probably never folding. Also some of them could have picked up a FD.

I would say the turn sizing is too small though, 50 sounds about right.

x/c KJ is even worse than x/f imo.

Saying x/f is a bit results orientated I think just because we were x/r'd.

Obviously fold to the raise, limp folders don't usually make plays like this.