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Old 01-25-2014, 03:09 AM   #1
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KJ in the cutoff on a straddle

Me: KJ in the CO with about $170 and a live straddle on.

1/2 NL 100 max game.
EP: $160 limps $4
fold around
Me: raise to $16
Straddle flats and EP flats 3 handed to the flop.

Flop comes 5J5
pot at $47 after drop

Straddles leads out $10, EP flats, I raise to $40
Straddle takes forever and folds, EP flats

Turn comes 2

EP checks
I have $116 left
Play?

Notes: EP has been a calling station with light holdings previously.
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Old 01-25-2014, 03:46 AM   #2
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Re: KJ in the cutoff on a straddle

I check behind. I don't think you are ahead of his range enough to go for value.

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Old 01-25-2014, 03:52 AM   #3
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Re: KJ in the cutoff on a straddle

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Any reads on EP? How quick did he call the raise OTF?
1..2.. call. No reads, no idea where he's at.
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Old 01-25-2014, 04:07 AM   #4
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Re: KJ in the cutoff on a straddle

Check behind, eval river.

The reason why I would do this is because the obvious draw got there. Or, he could have a 5. Or he could have AJ. If you bet, he raises.. Now what? I like a check on the turn and see what falls on the river

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Old 01-25-2014, 01:21 PM   #5
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Re: KJ in the cutoff on a straddle

You are also repping a really big hand. You raise the straddle pre, and you've raised the flop. By betting the turn you might actually get him to fold some Jx combos that you could have gotten value from OTR.
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Old 01-25-2014, 01:28 PM   #6
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Old 01-25-2014, 02:26 PM   #7
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Re: KJ in the cutoff on a straddle

Okay so play is to check the turn. Now say we're facing a $50 bet OTR, now what?

River came a blank 3 or something like that.

Do you think my bet sizing OTF to $40 was too big or too small?
There's no way I can flat OTF right?
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Old 01-25-2014, 03:31 PM   #8
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Re: KJ in the cutoff on a straddle

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Okay so play is to check the turn. Now say we're facing a $50 bet OTR, now what?

River came a blank 3 or something like that.

Do you think my bet sizing OTF to $40 was too big or too small?
There's no way I can flat OTF right?
Call and hope he has a weaker jack but expect to be beat a lot. $60+ I fold on river. Flop raise size is ok. I generally flat flop here against 2 villains. Raising only if you think you can get called by worse a lot. Raise to $20 pre
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Old 01-26-2014, 03:43 PM   #9
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I raise slightly more pre. By making it 40 you offer him a little more than 3 to 1. He will probably take poorer odds if he does have a flush draw. I check behind OTT. By betting you get stacked by flushes and 5x. You might also get some worse jacks to fold. I call a reasonable size bet otr and expect him to have Jx often enough.
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Old 01-26-2014, 11:31 PM   #10
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Re: KJ in the cutoff on a straddle

Yeah I feel like I should have raised it bigger OTF to around 65, but I didn't want to fold out flush draws or weaker jacks either. I felt like I had the best hand OTF.

So, we took the line of check back OTT, and now what if he checks OTR? Do we put out a thin value bet or just go check check?
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Old 01-26-2014, 11:55 PM   #11
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Re: KJ in the cutoff on a straddle

Big pot for a marginal hand. I think your behind his flatting range a ton. I think his flat means a good jack, 5 or diamonds. If you are lucky, you are chopping. The problem is the SPR is so out of whack, I dont think you can ever fold now.
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Old 01-27-2014, 03:48 PM   #12
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Re: KJ in the cutoff on a straddle

Also, how should I continue OTT if it blanks, assuming it gets checked to me?
What should my bet sizing be?
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Re: KJ in the cutoff on a straddle

If our read is correct of a good jack, 5 or diamonds, our best turn option would be to check/jam. His diamonds odds are cut in half and we are about breakeven with the good jacks.
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Re: KJ in the cutoff on a straddle

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If our read is correct of a good jack, 5 or diamonds, our best turn option would be to check/jam. His diamonds odds are cut in half and we are about breakeven with the good jacks.
Won't that get hands like QJ and J10 to fold out tho? I was thinking a little more valuey OTR but still enough to charge a flush draw a substantial amount. Maybe 50?
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Old 01-28-2014, 01:35 PM   #15
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Re: KJ in the cutoff on a straddle

How light of a calling station is he? Would he call the flop raise with an underpair?
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Old 01-28-2014, 05:46 PM   #16
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Won't that get hands like QJ and J10 to fold out tho? I was thinking a little more valuey OTR but still enough to charge a flush draw a substantial amount. Maybe 50?
I prefer not to bet $50. If he calls, the pot is $237 with Hero having $66 behind. I think because of the stack sizes, the bet size is inelastic.
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Old 01-28-2014, 07:07 PM   #17
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How light of a calling station is he? Would he call the flop raise with an underpair?
I believe so. He called off an entire buy in and couldn't beat A10. Also, called down with A2 lone ace on a heavy board.
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Old 01-28-2014, 07:32 PM   #18
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Re: KJ in the cutoff on a straddle

Meh...it's close but I think there's just a few too many combos that beat us so a check back and reevaluate river is best.
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Old 01-28-2014, 07:41 PM   #19
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Re: KJ in the cutoff on a straddle

Raise more pre, then you can jam over the flop raise - it may be a little large, but you get value from all Jx hands (except AJ, and J5).

If we raise to $25 pre, there is $75 in the pot, and when anyone donks we can jam over the donk and put max pressure on our opponents. If we are beat we are beat, being $170 effective I don't see how we can get away from top pair second kicker.
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Old 01-28-2014, 08:20 PM   #20
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Raise more pre, then you can jam over the flop raise - it may be a little large, but you get value from all Jx hands (except AJ, and J5).

If we raise to $25 pre, there is $75 in the pot, and when anyone donks we can jam over the donk and put max pressure on our opponents. If we are beat we are beat, being $170 effective I don't see how we can get away from top pair second kicker.
Yeah I'm really liking the jam OTF line. I agree I'm more likely to get called and actually be ahead. On top of simplifying things.
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