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kind of a sick spot at 2/5 - Fold trips? kind of a sick spot at 2/5 - Fold trips?

09-23-2017 , 10:26 PM
Hero $1000 - Not really dragging any pots tonight. Just nothing really going our way - Bricked most flops and have gotten a ton of small pocket pairs that all whiffed the flop multiway. Maybe stuck $700?? Not too bad.

Villain $2000 - Running well. This guy hit quads - a few sets, and flushes. Hitting a lot of top pairs that are holding, basically just his night. Haven't seen him bluff yet, but he could be capable of it. I've never seen him overbet ether, although we probably only have 5 - 6 hours of play vs him. He isn't really playing bad, just running well.

Hero is dealt AK in UTG and goes $20
Only villain calls in CO


$47
KKQ
Hero $30
Villain call

$107
J
Hero $75
Villain call

Not sure I like my turn bet but I think it's fine - Not a whole lot of worse hands can call??? Maybe just weaker K - I also block the nut flush draw so that's not good

$257
8

I decide to check hoping he makes a small bet with some missed hand - but to my surprise he bets $400 and than calls clock after I am thinking for about 1 minute. I've never been in this situation before and really confused. It looks like he has a hand like AT or KJ but I block both of those hands. I can't see any missed draws he has except for JT and I except a bare Q to just check back. The whole night he hasn't done anything like this, and he is winning so I don't expect him to take a desperate line and put his winnings on the line.

Does any one fold this?
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09-24-2017 , 12:04 AM
Yuck, pretty gross spot. I'm with you here, as I'm having a hard time finding any likely bluffs or many value combos we're ahead of. I think B/f river would have been fine as well, and it wouldn't surprise me if many would prefer that line as opposed to planning to c/c. I would have done the same as you though and looked to pot control OTR.

Then there's the river overbet and subsequential calling of the clock. Both can mean either immense strength or weakness, it's very V dependent. I very rarely see a clock called in a spot where it's not totally warranted, and if truly it had only been 1min than this seems like V is using the clock to level you into acting one way or the other. In the handful of times I've seen this, the player always had somewhat nutted hands, but again it could mean different things from different opponents. So when you combine the overbet/clock call with there being very few bluffs for V, then add in the consideration that there are actually a lot of better hands in your range here, I'd quietly fold and not say a word to anyone.
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09-24-2017 , 01:19 AM
Smaller flop
Bet river
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09-24-2017 , 03:58 AM
how many better hands than AK do you have? You can't fold, so you call.
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09-24-2017 , 10:09 AM
Trivial fold
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09-24-2017 , 10:55 AM
This feels like a call as played. We are losing to 3 combos of KQo, 1 combo of KJs, 3 combos of KJo. Also, if he can have KJo, he can have KTo and K9o.

However, I think I prefer checking the turn, or bet/folding the river, instead of the bet/bet/check line.
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09-24-2017 , 12:25 PM
Any idea/description of how loose he is preflop? How loose had you been playing?
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09-24-2017 , 12:29 PM
Fwiw, I think he's bluffing, and I call. He knows his calls look scary to a lot of hands.
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09-25-2017 , 12:14 AM
Unless you have some specific read on him as someone that overbet bluffs, then just fold.
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09-25-2017 , 01:17 AM
for that size bet, from a player with such a clean image, you know that you are never good. Usually V will turn over KQ for a flopped nuts.

But as underrepped as we are, how do we not call?

I think you have to lay it down. If V was bluffing, he would go like 180. 400 just screams value from a solid player.
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09-25-2017 , 02:33 AM
Tough call, only thing I can think of beating is J10 or K10, but would he bet so much with K10 or full house? I'd likely call in the heat of the moment, but thinking about it more his line feels like a monster.
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09-25-2017 , 02:34 AM
When big money goes in, top trips tends to be a RIO hand in my experience. Sometimes though people are just really bad and overplay bad kings. If you think he's decent im folding.
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09-25-2017 , 05:19 AM
Smaller flop bet. Check turn. As played easy fold.
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09-25-2017 , 09:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by branch0095
Yuck, pretty gross spot. I'm with you here, as I'm having a hard time finding any likely bluffs or many value combos we're ahead of. I think B/f river would have been fine as well, and it wouldn't surprise me if many would prefer that line as opposed to planning to c/c. I would have done the same as you though and looked to pot control OTR.

Then there's the river overbet and subsequential calling of the clock. Both can mean either immense strength or weakness, it's very V dependent. I very rarely see a clock called in a spot where it's not totally warranted, and if truly it had only been 1min than this seems like V is using the clock to level you into acting one way or the other. In the handful of times I've seen this, the player always had somewhat nutted hands, but again it could mean different things from different opponents. So when you combine the overbet/clock call with there being very few bluffs for V, then add in the consideration that there are actually a lot of better hands in your range here, I'd quietly fold and not say a word to anyone.
this dudes post nails it. you are beat. im too much of a pay off wizard to fold though here. villain has KQos and we lose. ooops.
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09-25-2017 , 12:06 PM
he's hoping to get called by a king and trying to make it look like it's a bluff (and trying to get paid).
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09-25-2017 , 02:33 PM
it sucks to flop trip K with AK, but this is just a pretty easy fold imo. we even block a hand like AdTd
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09-25-2017 , 03:17 PM
Call
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09-25-2017 , 03:22 PM
It's a fold, though in the heat of the moment I have to say that I might call. It's definitely not an easy fold.

People are saying smaller OTF but my opinion is smaller OTT. I'd bet ~1/2PSB OTT and probably bet the same or a bit less OTR planning to fold to a raise.

But can't say you played it terribly, some people love to say "easy this" or "easy that" when it's not the case. Then they will show up with a 100 line essay with range analysis and equity calculator and claim that by 0.2% they are +EV and correct.

Anyway, calling or folding river nice hand. Just don't tell me you shoved lol
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