Hey guys!

Hero/MP(300)- Young 20s guy, wearing local casino hoody. early in session and have not played many hands but has come out firing.

Villian/UTG(500)- 40s white guy pretty tight player, have not seen him before but seems to be playing pretty aggressive ABC. shown down the goods a few times.

Villian opens UTG for 15 (SLIGHTLY on the larger side for this table)

Hero calls in MP with JJ

HU flop(33) 842

Villian Leads for 40

Hero?

Call and fold to turn barrel.

Call and see what happens on turn.

I would probably just fold the flop. Is he really overbetting the pot on a super dry board with Ax or TT?

He's going to be betting the turn a lot too. All overpairs, overcards that picked up draws, etc. keep firing. We're going to get bluffed out some on the turn if we decide to just give up all the time.

Seems weak, but calling here seems like burning money. He's not slowing down on the turn often enough for us to showdown as much as we'd like.

Hero describes V as TAG and we aren't including 99-TT and AQ+ in his range? I think all of those play this hand the same. Sure QQ+ play it this way also, but I think folding here is too weak. If V was an OMC, then I think we play the JJ for setmining odds and just fold here, but against a TAG I think we either peel a card or do some small raise (105ish) and fold to a 3 bet.

Call and call turn unless an ace rolls off. Fold if he shoves river.

Grunch.

We playing 1/2? 2/3?

An UTG raise that's larger than average is a red flag from a tight player. I think the line is fine... Depending on what you've seen, I wouldn't mind a call and eval turn. I think raising does nothing for us and kills our position. If he fires on turn, and we don't improve, then we just chalk it up as a loss and muck unless you have some read on him and think he's bluffing... But I'm probably laying down to a second barrel

Are you suggesting raising the flop to "see where we are at?"...

Overbet on flop is very telling. I don't think he does that with an Ace high hand very often. Just fold flop.

I don't think you have to raise to show strength. If he bets the turn, knowing you've already called twice, he has something. Especially on this board, where he can't reasonably put hero on a draw. Raising pre or post flop is spewy.

This is pretty much the best flop ever for JJ. Well, JJA would be better, but really. Those advocating a fold on the flop should have thought ahead and folded pre.

AK and 99+ are in his range. It's worth a call otf but I cheerfully fold to a turn bet.

We dont have to fold pre, we are deep enough to sort of setmine with JJ here against a very tight early pos raiser right? 15 pre is perfectly ok setmining odds with a 300 stack. 1:20 odds, and a tight early pos raiser has the kind of range that we very possible can stack or win a big pot if we hit our set. We are in MP, so more players can possibly come along- juicing up the pot and increase our chances of winning a big pot the times we hit our set.

Depends on the flop and the betting action, we can also continue unimproved of course.

OP: whether or not i like to continue here, i want some more info on villains C-betting/double barrell freq. Does he often give up with his airballs if his C-bets got called on the flop? Does he C-bet whiffed AQ/AK on this board given your reads or does he check and give up?

If your read is that his pot sized C-bets is heavily weighted towards big overpairs, i am folding right here on the flop. But on the other hand if you know that he can take stab at pots with whiffed airballs also, i want to call the flop and evaluete turn action- like other posters also has mentioned already.

Absent a specific read on this player I'm just folding here. All sorts of red flags. I feel silly when he shows that he "really had it" by flipping up 99-TT here but I see no reason to assume he's not going to just keep firing.

I'm calling flop bet and see what develops on turn. If you plan on folding to him on this flop, you might as well have folded JJ preflop.

No, not really. Why should we fold pre when we got setmining odds against a very likely strong range wich will often be able to pay us uff when we hit? We dont need to complicate this just because we hold JJ instead of 88-99.

Its no absolutes in poker. Sometimes he will check this flop to us and we can bet for value against 99-1010 or draws. Sometimes he will bet a smaller amount, wich we maybe read as weak, and we can continue at least one more street.

I think this sort of automatic approach like "if i call preflop we HAVE to call on the raggy flop also" is limiting our abilities as a pokerplayer. We need to be like water, none (or very few) absolutes- and make good decisions based on parameters like ranges, betsizes,stacksizes and bettingpatterns.

But in this particular hand, at this particular flop, when he bets out full pot (actually overbetting the pot)- i think we need more flesh on the bone here regarding villains tendencies before we can make a solid +EV decision.

lol @ folding pre for $15

Folding JJ preflop was sarcasm with regards to this hand. Agreed the overbet sounds off a few alarms but without any certain reads on villain....it's still a call on the flop.

Call and reevaluate on the turn. We can't really interpret the meanings of his PF and flop bet sizings without knowing more about him other than he is a TAGish ABC player.

Hero folded flop, V turned over TT.

I guess my question is if he takes this line with TT he probably takes this line with jj-aa right?

Did we just happen to run into the bottom of his range here and should still be folding this spot 100%?

I think his bet amount gets smaller as his pp gets bigger in that situation. He isn't betting AA/KK and probably not even QQ the same way.

I think a flop call is "meh". I can re-evaluate a brick turn now (he will fire again hard as well usually), so I would probably fold here on flop and if not, then definitely on turn if he fires again.

He can show up with some strange birds from time to time here but I dont think often enough to make much difference overall. If we knew had had a lot of one-and-done in him, we could easily call flop but Im assuming we dont have that info.