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JJ vs. Live Read on a 70 VPIP Villain JJ vs. Live Read on a 70 VPIP Villain

02-23-2018 , 10:14 PM
NWI NL 1/2
Hero has been at the table for an hour. $185 at this point. Down 15 for the session. I get JJ UTG. I raise 15. My opens are either 12 or 15 for non-nit tables regardless of what I have when there are 0 limpers.
UTG+1 is unknown before today. He's at $1500 and (reportedly) has been killing the table for 5 hours. Villain is a 40 yo WG and about 350 pounds. He's drank 3 Miller Lites since I got to the table. He's in a very good mood. He and his wife are in town from I don't know where but i heard him mention twice that he "needs to check into the hotel." This fellow is jovial and has a 70 VPIP in the last hour. He's a calling station from what I can tell. Raised only a couple of times. He now acts out of character, looks at my stack, says "how much are you playing" and makes it $40. Previously he silently calls whatever raise comes his way. Everyone else folds. It comes back to me. My live read is that this is definitely aces.
Should I
1. Go with my read, save 25 and fold or
2. Call the 25 and try to hit a set knowing JJ on a low board is probably no good but that he would probably call an all in.
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02-23-2018 , 10:37 PM
Well you aren't getting the odds to set-mine...

This is why I don't open to 7.5 BB though.
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02-23-2018 , 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by SABR42
Well you aren't getting the odds to set-mine...

This is why I don't open to 7.5 BB though.
Getting 3bet at 1/2 is so rare, and people's calling ranges pre are so size inelasic, that you should be opening quite large with a tight range.
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02-23-2018 , 11:02 PM
The only choices are between folding or jamming.

You've presented things in a way that suggests villain has QQ+ so im fine with the fold. Do not show anyone.

Vs opponents who could be doing this with AK, KQs, AQs, TT or wider I'm happy to 4bet jam.
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02-23-2018 , 11:39 PM
Vs a passive calling station like you describe, I fold and move on, and feel really good about it.
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02-24-2018 , 01:02 AM
What are the odds of flopping a set? If V is guaranteed to have AA and stack off 100% of the times regardless of board, what stack sizes do you need to be at to profitably call $25 more pre-flop? You've already narrowed down his hand to AA so these are the two eventualities. You should also be able to figure out what implied odds/stack sizes you need to profitably set mine.

Others have given you the answer though (this is a fold).
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02-24-2018 , 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Nogyong
The only choices are between folding or jamming.
Nope. I'm not sure jamming JJ is ever that great of a choice against described villain. Flatting is certainly possible if the stack sizes or bet size were just slightly different.


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Originally Posted by Nogyong
You've presented things in a way that suggests villain has QQ+ so im fine with the fold. Do not show anyone.
I'll agree with this.

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Originally Posted by Nogyong
Vs opponents who could be doing this with AK, KQs, AQs, TT or wider I'm happy to 4bet jam.
You have to factor in his 4-bet calling range, not just his 3-bet range. Download an equity calculator and get to work.
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02-24-2018 , 03:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Koss
Nope. I'm not sure jamming JJ is ever that great of a choice against described villain. Flatting is certainly possible if the stack sizes or bet size were just slightly different.
Well, we do know the stack sizes and bet sizes and they don't make flatting a viable option. The info that we don't know so well is the 70 vpip's 3bet range and 3bet/folding range.

So I don't regret saying that the choice is between folding and jamming and then going on to support a fold based on OP's description.
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02-24-2018 , 04:49 AM
I think I have a problem with not backing down to smallish reraises but when I think I'm beat I should fold and that's a leak in my game. I used to be weak tight and I'm always trying to rebel against this now...maybe too much. I had a read and I need to go with it more as things are obvious, but not this obvious!, in 1/2.

As far as set mining odds went, I should have thought of this but i never think of JJ as set mining as i'm often up against AK here or AQ or even 4s through 8s at 1/2. Everyone puts you on AK and then calls even with small pairs in my game.
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