1/2 NL New to the table because my other table broke, only been there about 1 orbit. I have about 550 in my stack.

Older asian guy has about 1K in front of him - hard to tell his style of play yet with certainty but he seems to like to mix it up.

I am in MP with JJ. 2 limpers call in front of me and I raise to 20.

It folds around to the asian guy in the SB who calls. Approx $45 in the pot now, everyone else folds.

Flop is 633, 2 clubs.

Asian guy donk bets $100 into a $45 pot.

What do you guys do here?

Maybe call and eval turn. Raising is an overplay for sure based on you saying you have no reads. I think folding is okay sometimes too - just based on the fact that youre barely invested in the pot and this can easily become a spot we stack off on the turn. If hes doing this with AQ of clubs, 45, 88, you will likely get a better spot vs him.

I mostly like calling and evaluating turn since we have position and villain knows we can easily have AA.

I am always confused when an opponent makes a play that I would never do. TT? KK? A3? Who knows. I think you are too deep to just guess at what he is doing here, so I think fold is fine.

I call. Smells like 77s, 88s, 99s or 1010s. QQs is also a possibility. It sucks since you don't have any info on him, but Since he cold called with two limpers still to act, I will rule out KK+. And also say QQ is very unlikely.

Call and see what he does on the turn.


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If you have the J I would likely call and re-eval. If not then I might just muck. Just not enough info on this guy yet to risk 20% of your stack on this hand. Seems like, as you say, he "likes to mix it up" so you should get a better shot at him later.

Sorry I should I have mentioned that. I had Red Jacks.

Don't we want him to be on a draw? In which case, we don't want Jc in our hand.

I don't get the point of overbet donking, it's not something I do. I think more often than not, Villain's who do this end up losing a lot of value, as most folks more often than not just fold in this spot.

I suppose the Villain could have A3 and 66 here, it's a tough call with two red JJs, I agree with the others who have posted that we don't have enough information on V, and that since we aren't really invested in the pot, we should probably just fold. There aren't really any turn cards that help to improve our hand either (outside of a J or a 3).

You have to enter the mind of the donk. He is just betting big to take down the pot now. He is scared of someone out drawing him. That's why I put him on middle pocket pair.

Thanks all, I folded the Jacks face up. He was surprised and annoyed. I guess he had A3 or QQ.

That's just dumb. What type of action are you expecting when you bet 3x pot?

Who knows what he had? Fold was fine until you gather more info.

I think "call and re-evaluate turn" is a bit of a cop out here. A guy who donks the flop for 2x pot usually means business and will fire again on the turn and we will likely be in a very similar predicament. Aside from not wanting the flush to come in on the turn, not really sure what cards we want / don't want to see. Basically I don't see the turn becoming any more clear, unless by "call and re-evaluate" we mean call and fold to another big bet if we don't hit our jack (which will be a likely occurrence).

I fold until I have a better read on this guy. Seems like a way behind / marginally ahead situation.

That's exactly why I see a lot of villains who fit his description overbet donk out, he's afraid of a flush coming. But I disagree it's ever middle pair or even a one pair hand. It's usually a set or at minimum 2 pair (not referring to this flop specifically).

So when you see a guy do this, I don't like to call and see what he does next. We need to decide now if we're continuing, but not to call then hope and pray he checks it down.

OP, folding the first time with no further info is great, but don't fold face up like ever. Now he knows how easy he can get you off of a one pair hand.

I think A3 is possible, but 66 very unlikely. 66 already has the boat and is not worried about flush. The only thing 66 could be worried about is an overpair binking a 2 outer, but that's not the type of fear that motivates a 2x pot bet. Even MUBSy folks who flop a boat will usually go into milking mode vs. large bet mode.

Don't do this. Boggles my mind why people do this.

+1

I might say something to try to get people to show, but I never show unless I have to.

they do it bc they wanna show up the old guy that they made a good fold against them, and how much he helped him make the correct fold. The only problem with that is there may be one or two other good players at the table taking close notice and now know how to get this guy off hands (not only one pair hands but they can raise any flush or straight completing board knowing he has a wide fold button).

yeah I would usually say "ace king no ghoood?)

Stop showing.

He’s got 1k and you are new to table, his bet is meant to send a message. That message is that he’s the table captain so don’t mess with him.

If you take this pot down there is +EV in that now you’ve shown the table you are the new captain and you can run the table over. In this situation you call and be a hero, or raise to be a regulator.

Not sure if you are comfortable being the captain as it’s higher variance, if u want to nit it up and fold that’s okay too. Depends on the mood I’m in.

Fold. Let him take the $45 pot.

Absent other reads, we don't need to stack off for 275bb to an unknown in this spot with an SPR of 10.5:1. Unless he gives up or we magically bink a J on the turn, this hand is not going to become easier to play.

If we watch how he plays we'll get more info soon.

Please, please don't show them your hand. That won't help you make money and various people around the table will respond to that information in ways which are hard to predict. Some will view you as a nit and some will view you as weak and you could be leveling yourself wondering whether your action influenced their play.

Villain acting surprised and annoyed about the hand, tells us nothing about what he had.

Thanks for the advice everyone. Normally I do not show but I wanted to gauge the reaction of an action player with a big stack and I want people to think I am a Nit and try to railroad me when I have the nuts. It paid off later in the hand when I made a sizable bluff. I do agree though that most of the time it is a better idea to not fold.