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08-06-2018 , 10:39 AM
I feel like I know the answer to the question but would like to hear some discussion/thoughts etc..

I'm an above average live player at these smaller stakes (not that it says very much) so I definitely have an edge at the tables and I know as long as you are staying level headed and have an edge you should play as much as you can.

I feel like every time im up a decent profit ($300-1k) etc I always lose a bit/all of it back from silly coolers because I stayed to play more. This question can probably only be answered by myself, but how bad is it to lock up a profit in my range and leave even if it only took an hour?

The casino is only a 50 mile drive so its not too terrible.
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08-06-2018 , 11:07 AM
I by no means play live professionally but win enough to make it some nice side income. My usual rule is play for 4-6 hours or wind it down if I have won 2-3 buy ins in that period. I set limits and follow those rules strictly. If I hit my winning mark I play 2-3 more orbits conservatively and hit the cage.
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08-06-2018 , 11:25 AM
In the long run it's not good. If it's luck it doesn't make a difference and if the table is soft then you should be looking to stay and play more.

However, if you have a problem playing profitably when you are well ahead then leaving is fine until you deal with the problem. There are a couple of different reasons why things may be going badly and until you have a handle on what the problem is and how to deal with it then leaving is fine.
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08-06-2018 , 11:43 AM
My suspicion is that you are starting to play too loosely once you get deeper. E.g. making looser cold calls, wider 3b defends, 3b wider, wider blind defending, etc. i think a common issue is people have winner’s tilt and start doing spewy things after they start winning and trying to run the table over. if this happens regularly id be most suspicious about this. Or it could just be selection bias.

I did this online when i was 400-900bb+ deep (way less people played back at me and more often just handed me pots and didnt want to deal with me) but i dont think this is true live. I think it’s important to stick to your game and not change your strat too much even if you’re winning or losing. Just play solid poker and you can never go wrong with that
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08-06-2018 , 11:50 AM
I wouldn't leave because "I might get coolered and lose" isn't it better to get coolered when you're way ahead instead of when you just sat down? A cooler can happen any time. We can't avoid them, it's part of the game and they should be expected when they do come.

However, if you just took a stab at a higher game and you find yourself sitting on 500+ BB's (and have a large percentage of your roll on the table), it's a good idea to leave and start again later with a regular buy-in rather than risking a large percentage of your roll on one hand.

All the other reasons are obvious - your tired, the game isn't good anymore, the game is tough, etc.
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08-06-2018 , 12:02 PM
Leave when you want to leave and stay if you want to stay.

The second you start to think about something negative leave.


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08-06-2018 , 12:03 PM
Also a lot of “silly coolers” arise from bad preflop play (esp when you are on winners tilt and start playing more gambley if that applies to you) and/or occasional bad postflop play.

E.g. if you overlimp J2s otb after 2 limpers and get overflushed or overtripped, or outkicked and lose an AI or medium portion of your stack that is NOT a cooler

Last edited by Minatorr; 08-06-2018 at 12:10 PM.
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08-06-2018 , 12:34 PM
Don't play longer than 7-8 hours since your game will start suffering and always leave by the time you were going to leave (set a hard deadline for yourself), regardless of whether you're up or down.

As always, use exceptions to this when needed, but the game would have to be godlike at 3AM for me to not stick to my rules.
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08-06-2018 , 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
I wouldn't leave because "I might get coolered and lose" isn't it better to get coolered when you're way ahead instead of when you just sat down? A cooler can happen any time. We can't avoid them, it's part of the game and they should be expected when they do come.

However, if you just took a stab at a higher game and you find yourself sitting on 500+ BB's (and have a large percentage of your roll on the table), it's a good idea to leave and start again later with a regular buy-in rather than risking a large percentage of your roll on one hand.

All the other reasons are obvious - your tired, the game isn't good anymore, the game is tough, etc.
Yeah definitely understand the latter, just depressing a times to set the profit disappear. bird in the hand? :P

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Originally Posted by Minatorr
Also a lot of “silly coolers” arise from bad preflop play (esp when you are on winners tilt and start playing more gambley if that applies to you) and/or occasional bad postflop play.

E.g. if you overlimp J2s otb after 2 limpers and get overflushed or overtripped, or outkicked and lose an AI or medium portion of your stack that is NOT a cooler
I'm speaking more along the lines of having a set of aces and getting runner runnered by 35o, but nevertheless dont want a bad beat thread.
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08-06-2018 , 01:23 PM
It's good to book a win. I don't always follow this rule, but if I am up a good chunk, say two BI, I will leave. The only times I don't do this is if it's early in the session - I like to play at least 8-10 hours - or if the table is soft.

Obviously, if you are tired or on tilt, you should leave. You will make costly mistakes if you don't. If you are both tired and on tilt, you might lose your whole bankroll.

If I get lucky at a tough table, I will leave or if it's early in the session, change tables.
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08-06-2018 , 01:36 PM
I play with the same opponents regularly and try hard not to hit-n-run. That means I usually play for a while after I win big.

Yesterday I lost a cooler early and decided to leave after I had the dinner I ordered if I was even. Ended up staying a few more hours despite being even and leaving up 270BB.
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08-06-2018 , 04:12 PM
Google all that old Tommy Angelo Quitting stuff.
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08-07-2018 , 09:31 AM
I did same thing again last night, derrrrr. : )

got up to around $450-500 and took a break, got a good burger, came back.. sit down and flop straight vs flush and lose a chunk -_-

left up 200 but kicked myself for maybe not picking up before that burger.

appreciate the feed back thus far
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08-07-2018 , 02:15 PM
If it's possible that you don't play well deepstacked, then I would recommend moving to a shorter stacked table (effectively ratholing) or perhaps even just exitting the game and getting back on the list (most rooms have rules on how soon you can re-enter the game, although in some rooms the wait time might not be worth it, and overall this is kinda frowned upon by most players if they see someone doing this).

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08-07-2018 , 02:39 PM
mmmmm i'm pretty honest with myself and im pretty certain im just getting coolered and pretty unavoidable, i could start taking some hands down and posting for others to take a look at just to confirm, I just dont want to derail thread into bad beats.

I did take notice to what someone said in this thread and believe I may loosen up a lil too wide once im up a few stacks and took note of that yesterday

another issue I believe I may have is being too passive by not 3b pre or not enough on streets allowing fish to hit
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