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04-28-2020 , 09:30 PM
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Hero 50s WM ($310 SB) tight image, passive preflop out of position, otherwise aggressive not sure if villain noticed the difference

Villain 30s WM ($400 UTG) not particularly tight or loose in three orbits saw six flops winning the one big hand with a river bet where he raised pre, checked flop, bet turn bet river. Nothing to showdown yet.

Three limpers to Hero in small blind JJ makes it $15, only Villain calls.

Flop Q93

Hero bets $21 in to $31 pot (after rake), Villain calls

Turn 2

Hero checks, Villain checks

River K

Hero checks, Villain bets $65, Hero calls

Comments on all streets encouraged
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04-28-2020 , 09:33 PM
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Stakes were 1/2
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04-28-2020 , 10:27 PM
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I'd go $20 pre, and $15 otf. AP I fold otr; I can't think of any bluffs villain would have.
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04-28-2020 , 11:54 PM
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$20-$25 preflop. Flop and turn are fine, fold river. It's an obvious spot to bluff after you make an obvious c-bet on flop and then give up. The problem is that villain has a lot of Kx and Qx in his range so he needs a lot of bluffs before calling a big river bet is good.

This would have been a good spot for a blocking bet on the river. You can easily represent AK here, so a $35 bet on the river is hard to raise without a very good hand and you might even get some QX to fold.
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04-29-2020 , 12:23 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamlana
Hero 50s WM ($310 SB) tight image, passive preflop out of position, otherwise aggressive not sure if villain noticed the difference

Villain 30s WM ($400 UTG) not particularly tight or loose in three orbits saw six flops winning the one big hand with a river bet where he raised pre, checked flop, bet turn bet river. Nothing to showdown yet.

Three limpers to Hero in small blind JJ makes it $15, only Villain calls.

Flop Q93

Hero bets $21 in to $31 pot (after rake), Villain calls

Turn 2

Hero checks, Villain checks

River K

Hero checks, Villain bets $65, Hero calls

Comments on all streets encouraged

Theoretically this is the perfect hand to shove all in with as a bluff. However, your opponent has to have seen you showdown winning hands, and not see you bluff much for it to work.
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05-01-2020 , 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by U of M Poker
Theoretically this is the perfect hand to shove all in with as a bluff. However, your opponent has to have seen you showdown winning hands, and not see you bluff much for it to work.
Nah I disagree with the red part for 2 reasons:
1) We are expected to double barrel JT on the turn, so we can't credibly rep those straights on the river.
2) Hero has an image of playing passively preflop from OOP, meaning he has almost no JT in his range when he raises to $15 pre.

The line I'm taking here, given your image, is:
1) Raise slightly bigger like $18 pre.
2) Bet smaller on flop, something around 30% pot.
3) Check turn.
4) Check-fold river. Villain has no natural bluffs. Even if villain had T8s or J8s, they probably bet the turn a large % of the time. So we're not really beating anything.
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05-01-2020 , 03:15 PM
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Good flop to check
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05-01-2020 , 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Nah I disagree with the red part for 2 reasons:
1) We are expected to double barrel JT on the turn, so we can't credibly rep those straights on the river.
2) Hero has an image of playing passively preflop from OOP, meaning he has almost no JT in his range when he raises to $15 pre.

The line I'm taking here, given your image, is:
1) Raise slightly bigger like $18 pre.
2) Bet smaller on flop, something around 30% pot.
3) Check turn.
4) Check-fold river. Villain has no natural bluffs. Even if villain had T8s or J8s, they probably bet the turn a large % of the time. So we're not really beating anything.
I agree with you about not bluffing the river

Please explain further bet sizing pre flop (I considered up to 18) and on the flop (I did consider half as the smallest) so I am interested in your thought process
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05-01-2020 , 06:39 PM
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Good flop to check
Why would you say that?
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05-01-2020 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by QuadJ
$20-$25 preflop. Flop and turn are fine, fold river. It's an obvious spot to bluff after you make an obvious c-bet on flop and then give up. The problem is that villain has a lot of Kx and Qx in his range so he needs a lot of bluffs before calling a big river bet is good.

This would have been a good spot for a blocking bet on the river. You can easily represent AK here, so a $35 bet on the river is hard to raise without a very good hand and you might even get some QX to fold.
Why so large pre? I did did consider a little more, but not that much, pot was $9 when it got to me
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05-02-2020 , 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Jamlana
Why so large pre? I did did consider a little more, but not that much, pot was $9 when it got to me
The answer is obvious Jamlana. Its because you want your opponents to fold all hands except the ones that beat you. It easier to rationalize loses this way, "they played bad and sucked out". 15.5x seems large but is closer to the final realization of the optimal strategy of just folding all hands except AA and open jamming for 50 to 100x.
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