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Old 01-13-2018, 10:09 PM   #1
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JJ in sb. 2-5

looking for some feedback on this hand.

Hero has a tight image. I've been running good only showing made hands at showdown. I've been aggressive with made hands, but havent gotten out of line. Effective stack $900.

V1 has been playing loose. Some run bad some bad play. In for at least 4 buy ins that ive seen in last hour. Down $2000 at least. Been straddling alot. I've seen him jamb light and lose. He's been sucked out on a few times when jambing ahead. Definitely on tilt. Effective stack $575.

V2 not much of a read. Has about $800. Been aggressive on button, raising atc from button.

I've been at table about 1 1/2 hours. Both villains were at table before me.

I'm in sb with JJ. V1 straddles to $10 utg. One limper to V2 on button who raises to $45.

I tank trying to decide on raising. I decide to call.

BB folds, V1 raises from straddle to $95. Folds to V2 who also folds. Hero unsure so calls. Pot $240.

Flop 2,7, 10 rainbow. Hero checks, V1 tank bets $165. Hero puts V1 on over cards and flats. Pot $570.

Turn 2. Hero checks. V1 jams $315. Hero calls.

I was really unsure what way to play this. Took a trap approach. I,d like to hear others insights
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Old 01-14-2018, 12:51 AM   #2
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Re: JJ in sb. 2-5

Line is fine since you're looking to trap an on-tilt straddler who has now 3! his straddle. I mostly 3! from the SB with JJ, but in this instance I don't love the idea of 4! and then having to get it in pre with JJ if V jams simply because you know he's on tilt and his range could be super wide.

From the flop forward, the hand seems pretty standard. My guess is that you ran into QQ+ or V showed up with some funky 2x hand? Your spewy V started the hand with 125bb, so I just don't see any way to get away from your hand here. The only thing you could have done differently is to c/r jam the flop, but you have a solid plan to let V hang himself, so I still would have c/c flop just as you did. Really I would have played the hand the same way you did, sorry if you ran into it this time.
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Old 01-14-2018, 02:06 AM   #3
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Re: JJ in sb. 2-5

Flat first time pre is fine, but after villain 3bets just get it in. As played, check calling the flop might be OK, but you would want to be pretty sure villain is firing another barrel with like AK or AQ, because if he checks it back you are burning like $140 by not denying his equity with a flop CRAI.
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Old 01-14-2018, 03:09 AM   #4
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Re: JJ in sb. 2-5

I pretty much hate every decision you made in this hand. You say V2 is raising ATC on the BTN and yet you elect to flat JJ from the SB. You can’t possibly expect V1 to 4!, but now that he has gifted you the 4! you gotta drop the hammer and 5! him.

Your action will look so bizarre that he’ll end up stacking off with worse pairs like TT/99 that you’re 80/20 versus as well as overs where you’re flipping.

If I somehow inexplicably got to the flop in this manner I would be x/jamming. You’ve only got ~3x the c-bet size in effective stacks so there’s no reason to just allow this guy to realize his 25% equity for free. Once you call flop he’s going to realize he has no FE on the turn and he’ll just x back and take that free river to suck out.
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Old 01-14-2018, 06:50 AM   #5
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Re: JJ in sb. 2-5

It's not a 4!, straddle doesn't really count as a raise. I'm fine with letting V1 in and have no idea why you say we can't possibly expect him to reraise. Button is raising ATC and this guy is loose and tilted.
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Old 01-14-2018, 04:42 PM   #6
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I pretty much hate every decision you made in this hand. You say V2 is raising ATC on the BTN and yet you elect to flat JJ from the SB. You can’t possibly expect V1 to 4!, but now that he has gifted you the 4! you gotta drop the hammer and 5! him.

Your action will look so bizarre that he’ll end up stacking off with worse pairs like TT/99 that you’re 80/20 versus as well as overs where you’re flipping.

If I somehow inexplicably got to the flop in this manner I would be x/jamming. You’ve only got ~3x the c-bet size in effective stacks so there’s no reason to just allow this guy to realize his 25% equity for free. Once you call flop he’s going to realize he has no FE on the turn and he’ll just x back and take that free river to suck out.
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Old 01-14-2018, 05:06 PM   #7
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Re: JJ in sb. 2-5

Preflop, reraise the loose button to 130.

After the straddle min-raises to 95 I'm not sure I want to play for stacks. I'm fine with the way OP played it.
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Old 01-14-2018, 05:29 PM   #8
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After the straddle min-raises to 95 I'm not sure I want to play for stacks. I'm fine with the way OP played it.
Did you read the player descriptions? I am playing for stacks here every time vs. these guys and this dynamic pre-flop.
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Old 01-14-2018, 05:49 PM   #9
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Re: JJ in sb. 2-5

Good insights. Keep them coming. I've replayed my pre and post flop play so many times in my head. In the moment I really didnt know which way to go. Playing from small blind didnt help.
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Good insights. Keep them coming. I've replayed my pre and post flop play so many times in my head. In the moment I really didnt know which way to go. Playing from small blind didnt help.
JJ in this situation is a dream.
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Old 01-14-2018, 06:22 PM   #11
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Re: JJ in sb. 2-5

Playing 55ish bb eff vs tilted played, gotta get it in pre after he 3b and our hand is so under repped.


As far as flatting JJ vs ur described V, what’s our plan when the flop brings an A, K or Q? What’s our plan vs both V for that matter if it’s 3 ways and there’s an over card to our J?


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