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11-11-2012 , 02:13 PM

GreatestPlayerEver

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1-2 blind $60 (30bb) deep 3 players total flop

I raise $12 JJ 2 callers

Flop

k 7 3 ( 2 suit )
I'm first to act, 2 players left , we're all $60 deep (30bb)
give me best option
i want to hear all plays

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11-11-2012 , 02:51 PM

wj94

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Best option - play deeper.

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11-11-2012 , 03:02 PM

DalTXColtsFan

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seriously - you put 20% of your stack in the pot pre, now you have $48 back and the POT is about what, $40 with the 2 callers and the blinds?

You have two choices and ONLY two choices - shove or fold. If you had the $188 back that you'd have had if you bought in for 100bb you could half-pot a bluff c-bet and then fold to a raise (or, of course, proceed carefully if called), but here you have no flexibility.

If you think neither villain has a K, shove, if not, fold.

/thread

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11-11-2012 , 03:35 PM

AEPpoker

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Originally Posted by DalTXColtsFan

Folding isnt really an option, since no one has bet in front of OP.

As short stacked as you are, a shove isnt really terrible. The problem is though it is very to0ugh to get a call from a non king on this flop. Maybe there is a 88/99/TT out there that gives you action.

I don't mind a check call either. Maybe you can pick off a late position bluffer who thinks he can pick up the pot since the OR checked. THe problem with this line, of course, is that you risk giving a free card. If the players behind you are somewhat aggressive and you think they are going to bet frequently here without a king even if you check, you should c/c.

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11-11-2012 , 03:42 PM

GreatestPlayerEver

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keep in mind . i was first two act, with 2 callers position on me on the flop.

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11-11-2012 , 03:42 PM

DalTXColtsFan

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Good point AE. But wouldn't you think nonetheless that it's either check/fold or check/shove? Why would he check/call when any villain bet is certainly going to be anywhere from 50% to 80% of his stack?

I guess I play more scared money than other people but the only time I would even CONSIDER check/shoving there is if it were against a villain who I had seen take TONS of stabs at unbet pots in position and even then I'd be thinking about waiting for a better opportunity to get my money in.

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11-11-2012 , 03:43 PM

Pug Walker

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Lol just c-bet and hope to take it down
If not, goodluck because we have such an awkward stack size.
Play deeper, and some info on positions would be helpful

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11-12-2012 , 02:19 AM

AEPpoker

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Originally Posted by DalTXColtsFan

I was assuming a check/call would be a c/c all in. If not yeah when he bets were just gonna ship.

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I guess I play more scared money than other people but the only time I would even CONSIDER check/shoving there is if it were against a villain who I had seen take TONS of stabs at unbet pots in position and even then I'd be thinking about waiting for a better opportunity to get my money in.

You don't need to see the villian do this a ton of times from position to know he can do it from position. There's nothing wrong with c/f ing this, though its a bit fit-or-fold. Without more info on the villains in the hand, its tough to say whether c/f or c/c would be a better line.

However, against all but the most loose-passive villains, a c/c is usually better than a shove, imo

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11-12-2012 , 12:00 PM

Garick

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GPE, you really need to start including villain descriptions in your OPs. Even this short, it matters who we are playing against.

Obv we are never folding here. I think we can c-bet against very passive Vs, though having to call a shove will suck if they are passive. Checking to let the one in position try to buy it is good if he's stabby at all, but we don't know.

For the love of god, GPE, post better reads and play better structures. I know you play at the Bike, and I know that (at leas as of this summer) they have 1/3 with a Bi of 100 to 300.

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