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Originally Posted by Garick
Hero decides to call, with a plan to check shove most non-ace flops. Sadly, V1 tanks, but does not come along.
Pot $80
Flop Qd9d5c
Hero checks, still planning to check shove over a normal sized c-bet, but V2 overbets $100, leaving only $20 behind.
Hero?
Well, that's incredibly spastic. I'm happily getting it in.
I agree with Daniel that this doesn't change the plan. Never stop in the middle of a hoedown. In fact, if anything, it makes the plan more viable imo.
While you might flat AA pre, your likely hand range is face up and very narrow as decent middle strength pairs like 88-JJ, maybe as narrow as TT-JJ. BTW, I really don't care that we're face up in this situation; he can't really exploit us when we go to the flop with an SPR ~1 and we're planning to c/shove. If he tries to - and hopefully he's trying to now - we just continue with the plan.
So yes, we're continuing with the plan almost regardless of villain's actions, but I'll also say that it's very believe that villain would "value bet" QQ+ with a large over bet when he either has you crushed or you crush him (99). And you don't have to be a master hand reader to understand this dynamic. His "value" bet sizing here should be much closer to half pot or even less to either a) win your chips if you'll station off with a middling pair or b) induce a shove he can snap off.
One possible function of his large bet is to deny you fold equity if you had considered shoving. That's a strange thing to do with a very strong hand.
So I think he's often quite weak here, and like I'm saying, not only do we continue with the plan to check/shove, which certainly continues to be a good plan under the circumstances, but we do so with even more confidence.
Also, I hope V1 folded 55 and learned his lesson for future situations: you can't win if you don't play.