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JJ first hand, new table, facing min 3bet JJ first hand, new table, facing min 3bet

08-26-2014 , 10:24 PM
Jimmy jam time. This kid thinks you are a maniac if he is 3betting you with 77+ AJs+ (typical 1-2 players will not adjust and 3bet light) + this guy doesn't strike me as competent by his min 3 bet pre with 3 others in the hand. So when non competent's start 3betting us light I'm probably not folding JJ pre for 100bb

Jam it in and embrace your maniac image, You are towards the top of your range and for 100bb I'm hopping on the variance express. If he has QQ+ muck don't show, don't complain, it will just add to your psycho image

If you win, you have just shown these guys who you play with regularly that you will get it all in with two jacks pre. This should discourage light 3betting and help you get paid off later when you are jamming QQ+
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08-26-2014 , 10:30 PM
although I might add 4! jamming two jacks pre on Sunday at 11AM sounds suicidal, I still do it
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08-26-2014 , 10:59 PM
I think shoving and calling both have merits. V3's min raise is just ******ed no matter what he's holding. If he's got a PP or big suited connectors, he should be calling. If he's got a big PP, he should be narrowing the field with a bigger raise. His min 4-bet OOP on a previous hand with AJ with another player in makes me lean towards a shove here. His range is obviously much wider than a typical V here. The only hand I could see V3 having that makes any sense is AKs where he knows he's got a good hand that he should raise, but he's so weak post-flop that he doesn't want to commit to it.

Calling isn't bad either. V3 isn't likely to continue to be aggressive post flop unless he's got a monster or unless the flop hits him. Implied odds to set mine are through the roof. I could see the post flop action playing almost like a limped pot. The pfr isn't going to fire at it because of his position and his tendency to only bet close to the nuts. I would anticipate that everyone else would be pretty MUBSY post-flop given the pre-flop action. Even without a dream flop, JJ can still find ways to win this pot.

I think it's close between shoving and calling. I'd lean 60/40 towards a shove because of all the dead money and because V3's range is so wide here. JJ does figure to be the best hand.
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08-27-2014 , 10:06 AM
I don't think V3 is minraising to take QQ+ to a flop against all these people. I don't think V1's flat says QQ+. I think you're likely ahead and should calmly push your stack in.
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08-27-2014 , 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by wewa925
Weird spot. Stack sizes are awkward. I want to shove, but nothing you beat ever calls you though.
Based on description of V3 I tend to agree - we are ahead of the range you described V1 3-betting with. No strength coming from anywhere else at this point in the hand.
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08-27-2014 , 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by jsmo0th10
Jimmy jam time. This kid thinks you are a maniac if he is 3betting you with 77+ AJs+ (typical 1-2 players will not adjust and 3bet light) + this guy doesn't strike me as competent by his min 3 bet pre with 3 others in the hand. So when non competent's start 3betting us light I'm probably not folding JJ pre for 100bb

Jam it in and embrace your maniac image, You are towards the top of your range and for 100bb I'm hopping on the variance express. If he has QQ+ muck don't show, don't complain, it will just add to your psycho image

If you win, you have just shown these guys who you play with regularly that you will get it all in with two jacks pre. This should discourage light 3betting and help you get paid off later when you are jamming QQ+
+1
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08-27-2014 , 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by jsmo0th10

Jam it in and embrace your maniac image, You are towards the top of your range and for 100bb I'm hopping on the variance express. If he has QQ+ muck don't show, don't complain, it will just add to your psycho image
If that is your plan then make it $199 to go (or somewhere a tad below $200) so that you don't have to show first. You want to call his ai, not be called.
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