Hero - just sat down five or six hands ago. Young scruffy white guy. He's seen V play before but V doesn't remember him. Hasn't played a hand yet. 300$ stack. V covers.

V - very active player, bad LAG, likes to put people in spots but doesn't really have a plan post-flop, just like throwing the money around, drinks a bit while playing. Will call light. Loves repping big hands. Calling range pre with all SCs, S1Gs, PPs, SBWs, OSBWs, and will raise 3-bet premiums like AJo/s+ KQs QJs and 99+.

Hero gets JJ in MP and opens for 15$ over a couple of limps, only V calls in BB, limpers fold.

Flop: K76 35$

V checks, Hero bets 30$ (V will call light here and isn't thinking about the pot size), V calls, H puts hims on AX BDFD, 7x, 6x, Kx, all OESDs, and some PPs like 88 and 55 but probably not 22-44.

Turn: 9 95$

V checks, Hero bets 65$, V calls quickly again.

River: 4 225$

V leads for 85$, Hero?

You've been repping TP the whole way down. If he sees you as a thinking player, he only has to get you to fold about 25% of the time to make this profitable for him. Given the read, I'd call. Make him show first. If he has the flush or a better hand, he didn't charge you much. I'd show your hand even if he has the nuts. It will calm him down on trying to bluff you going forward.

I would have personally checked on the flop or the turn instead of betting both streets, though.

He hasn't really tried to "push" you around. For a "bad LAG," he's played this hand pretty passively. Also, most LAGs actually PUSH -- so his bet on river as a bluff would/should be more. This looks more like value-town, but you know him better than we do. Go with your gut.

Pre is way too small, go $20-$25.

I'd go $10 otf.

I'd probably go pretty polar ott, which doesn't include betting this hand.

River is a snap fold for me, as played. People tend to not turn pairs into bluffs, and I'm really having trouble finding any bluffs for him.

Definitely don't be showing your hand if you're bluff catching and lose.

4x + 1bb per limper or 3x + 1bb per limp for preflop is standard. It really makes a huge difference in the long run since our range is going to be so much stronger than live players.

Not sure why we're betting the turn when it completes a draw that you said he might have. We don't have a hand that wants to build the pot. We want to get to showdown as cheaply as possible.

I don't feel like you had a plan here man. Idk as played I guess call the river since we don't need to be good very often but this hand was butchered at every decision point

15$ is was a table standard over a couple limps at this table. 10$ for unlimped. Anything else is too much change making to be worth the trouble in my opinion.

We're betting turn because a bunch of weaker hands pick up equity and continue. Yea he has 85 occaiiiiisionally but he can be on 89 and pick up a pair to go with his OESD, he can have T9, etc. Lots of value out there.

What would your plan be? Pre is fine. You flop JJ on a K76r board and you're not betting?

>butchered at every decision point

Ok nevermind...discarding your opinions entirely.

Interesting take, I like your idea but not your sizing. 25$ is not getting called pre by anything but TT+ AQ+ KQs. I'm okay with the 15$, maybe go 20$ but I like the downbet on the flop. It's pretty dry and V can come along wider, but on the other hand this guy would call with any piece so for that reason I keep sizing up with him.

Results:

85 isn't the only hand that improved to beat you. There's also T8, 97, 99 he chose not to 3-bet this time, along with all the stuff that already had you beat on the flop.

All the hands you're talking about getting value from actually have quite a bit of equity, and he seems to be a player capable of bluff-raising (or calling and donking river!) them at some frequency. Many rivers are bad for your hand and only two are particularly good, but still not even nutted. You should be thinking about how to get to showdown against as wide a range as possible, not building a pot with what's very likely to be a bluffcatcher on the river. If you check-back and the river is good you can get another street of value, or call a bet on a lot of rivers.

I wouldn't say betting the flop is bad but this sizing is bad for this hand. Going smaller keeps his range wider and this isn't a hand you need to get money in ASAP or get it in by the river.

Ask to see both cards. And defo show JJ too.

Table standard at 1/3 or 2/5 is to play bad poker. Don't do things because it's the table standard. Table standard is usually wrong. We want to play well not the same as them. Try what this forum suggests with 4x + 1bb per limper. You'll be surprised they will still call with trash.

If we're betting flop then we're range betting (betting every hand that we raised with) a small size. Generally 1/3 pot.

I'm checking back turn and most likely calling a river bet. If he sizes large, >3/4 pot then we can start to think about folding.

Edit: wait I just saw your other thread, is this 1/2? If so then ur open size is fine. My bad

Why so he gets pissed off and leaves? Hurts to show JJ as well.

How do you know $25 is only getting called by TT-+, AQ+, and KQs? Have you seen this happen over a large sample? We should be realistically iso'ing pretty ****ing big in these games. I think you'd be surprised at how wide you can get called with huge isos.

+1 never understood escalating after a V surrendars