Hero: Good image, aggressive and I'm up big for the day, and both V's know this.
I've been reasonably agressive pre flop, but far more than anyone else at the table as they are all a bit passive.
I haven't shown down a single bluff though.

V: (~$195) A bit tilty, but mostly contained as he's down ~$300 after misplaying AA multi way. Currently in for $200, down few $'s on his second buy in.

V2: ($325) Likes to slow play, or he's just really passive, I can't tell. But in one hand, I raised pre to $15, from the BB. He called with J8 after one caller. Flop JJkhhx, 3 cks. Turn Tx, he checks I bet, both players called. River some low blank, checks around and he takes the pot.

1/2, Monday Afternoon:

Pre flop:
1 fold
V opens for $7
V2 calls
1 fold
Hero 3! to $30 with JJ
V1&V2 call. All others fold.

Flop ($89): 863
V1&V2 check
Hero bets $40
V1 pushes for $167
V2 folds
Hero?

$127 to call, pot now has $293 in it. Thoughts?

Any comments to this point?

Not a pretty spot, but I think you played it fine to this point. I think a call is in order, but I'd hate doing it.

You describe V1 as a little tilty, but not crazy, so I think we can rule out 2-pair hands and straight draws on the flop. That leaves:

AK/AQ - he might play these this way and be trying to push you off your hand here. I think I would seriously discount the number of combos of these, but it is possible (especially depending on his state of mind).

AA - probably 4-bets, seems unlikely but possible.

KK/QQ - KK maybe 4-bets but especially if he is timid right now he might have waited to see if an A flopped. QQ is very reasonable.

TT/99 - Possible, although you have to discount these a bit if he's not willing to get all-in with them right now.

88/66/33 - 88 is definitely a possibility, although on a dry board like this he might decide to slow play. Did he allow others to catch up to his AA earlier? If so, he might be trying to shut this down right now. 66 and 33 are less likely PF, but if he gets to the flop the same reasoning would apply.

Bottom line for me is that I think you are beat more often than not, but your pot odds dictate a call. I don't have access to pokerstove from here, but I'm sure you can plug in the options and figure out a decent equity number here.

don't fold

Pot odds dictate a call. He's a bit tilty, I think he can show up with all kinds of random crap here. Most of his suited connector type hands caught some piece of this flop. TT, 99, 89+ are probably all in his range.

You are only really worried about QQ, 88, 66, and 33, and I guess 86s.

Looks like you played your hand well so far. Now call.

The above ranges are very narrow.

I think we can discount sets as villains rarely shove sets on the flop preferring to flat or raise 2x-3x.

Getting better than 2:1 on a call we are calling. Expect to see TT-QQ or the open ender (97 or 57).

I hope you beat him into the pot

grunch: fold

this answer is admittedly recent-results driven as i've called in similar spots a lot lately justifying myself with marginal pot odds and wide ranges and always being shown 2 pair or a set. 2:1 on a shove at 1-2 and i'm letting this go unless i have a read that villain would push light or bluff (and to me this line doesn't look bluff-y). villain led out and called a big raise out of position pre flop then check shoved the flop on a non-drawy board. makes me put his range on AA, KK, QQ, TT, 99, sets and 6-8s. and my gut (after my recent streak) would be screaming "it's a set!".

Well played, now call. This is going to be TT, 99, 8x alot. If his stack were deeper and he made a non ai c/r, I would assign him a stronger range.

In spots where someone's stack is dwindling and the SPR is low, you can expect to see a much weaker range when the money is shoved in on the flop(like a fast played top pair or frustrated middle pair or draw)

What he said

Obv you get shown a set/QQ sometimes, but you've got way better than the 30% equity you need for a +EV call.

It seems that everyone thinks that this is a call. (Except for the one person who has been running bad?)

What stack size is this not a call for?
If he has 150 behind? If he has $200 behind?
Just trying to gather some more general ideas.

Thanks!

Hmm, I actually lean toward a fold on this. You'll someone with more time on their hands, and more math skills to crunch the numbers... but here's my reasoning.

I think villains range could be 88+, AK. Not a whole lot else. The lower sets I discount a little as well since it's not as likely he raises in EP with them. Smacks a whole lot like an overpair to the board, and I've found many players smooth calling the 3-bet with AA/KK. I see only 2 overpairs that we beat, 4 that we lose to, and not as often as we'd like to think will villain pull this stunt at 1/2 with AK. I guess I've about talked myself into a call now that I see that we'd need about 2:1 odds and we've got more than that in the pot

Still think I fold, since I see this more likely a trap with QQ+ rather than a spazz shove with 99/TT. Probably not a huge difference either way though.

So value check shoving hands we beat, combos of 8X, pocket 9's and tens. Draws we beat are 4/5, and 7/9. And we're worried about combos of 8/6, and slow played pocket Queens or better, sets of 8's, 6's, and 3's. The only factor leaning me to a call is the read that villain may be trying to catch up since he's behind in the session. Stack your chips and act like your going to call to see if you get any reads. But, I'm not excited about getting it in here. I think your probably beat.

Sounds like a standard puke call, you can eliminate QQ KK AA because he called a 7 dollar raise then called your 3! After the other V called. I'd put his range at 99-1010 A8 88 66 33 And getting over 2/1 to call. If he's tilting I find it more likely this is 99 or 1010 but obv be can hae sets. Even if u take ou A8 it's a call as the odds are correct.

I'd start by calling pre-flop. I think 3-betting is pretty bad.

As played, not sure it makes a difference. Depends how much you want to discount combos of 99/TT. If you discount them maybe 50% or more, it's a fold, otherwise it's a call.

How?

Ya how is 3 betting JJ bad, your standard 3 betting should be min of JJ-AA AK/AQ even that is super obvious 3! Range. You have to back that up with some facts or logic not just 3! JJ is bad.

Yeah, I don't see why we're 3-betting pre especially with position. Flatting hides the strength of hero's hand and We're probably not doing so well if v ships pre.

Otf I call. I discount AA, KK, QQ because of the flat with 1 person to go pf. So I'm really only scared of sets.

Is villain the kind to flat oop with speculative hands?

Tilty plus pretty good odds = call. Rainbow board makes it screwed but there is a chance he could be spewing AK or 89. Tough spot wp OTOH if you call

Flatting lets 5 runners into the pot and bink their 68o as well. We're against a tilty villain and passive villain i'd say 3b'ing is better than flatting

Without a better read, I'm flatting JJ vs. an EP raiser at ~100BB. With much more shallow stacks, you can consider 3-bet/get it in.

Without reads, I'm 3-betting QQ+, AK for value here.

Obviously, this is very different than online 6-max.

3-betting AQ is not so good.

If you 3-bet JJ, is it for value? Does villain (readless) call with enough worse hands? What does his continuation range look like? And, needless to say, are you 3-bet/raising or 3-bet/folding? Flatting JJ here is pretty standard.

Back to AQ, it's an even worse 3-bet because it's really not a great value raise at all. For one, villain is folding worse aces and sticking around with better. The range he continues with is almost always beating AQ.

I decided to run the math using this range. Specifically:

2 combos of AK, 2 combos of AA, 5 of KK, 6 of QQ, 1 of JJ, 3 of TT, 2 of 99, 3 of 88, 3 of 66, and 2 of 33. Here are the results:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 28.178% 28.18% 00.00% 7532 0.00 { JhJs }
Hand 1: 71.822% 71.82% 00.00% 19198 0.00 { AdAs, AhAs, KcKh, KcKs, KdKh, KdKs, KhKs, QQ, TdTh, TdTs, ThTs, 9d9s, 9h9s, 88, 6d6h, 6d6s, 6h6s, 3d3s, 3h3s, AcKc, AdKd }

You have less equity than I would have estimated. You're getting 2.3:1 and if this range is close you need 2.4:1, which makes it a close fold. Obviously, you can alter how much you discount some of those combos and get a different percentage. If you assume he's playing tighter PF, for example, and eliminate 66 and 33, plus assume that he'd always 4-Bet AA, you get 34.7% equity and only need 1.9:1 to call. Feel free to check my math, because I'm a bit sleepy right now.

So, it really depends on exactly what range you assign to villain, but this is closer than I thought it was.

And I don't like flatting here PF unless you are planning to set mine. OP didn't say specifically, but it looks like you have 2-3 people left to act behind you, plus the blinds and the two people already in. A raise to 7 isn't likely to chase many people out, so you're probably going to be playing this against 5 other players or so, 1-2 of which will probably have position on you.

I think given the position and small initial raise a 3-Bet makes more sense here.

The reason to flat pre it to avoid the exact spit we are in. The spr is low enough we have to stack off with an overpair against all but the tightest players.