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03-26-2014 , 09:18 AM
I have pretty good read on BB. When he donk 16 on this board texture, he has a relatively strong made hand, Ax 100% of the time, could be A5. Def, not a draw. He is a bit of a calling station too. As we are very deep, I really thinking to play this hand for stack and raise the flop and go for full value turn and river, but I decided otherwise, just calling on the flop.

When I called the flop I was thinking he will lead bigger on turn and therefore I could build a big pot from there. and I a bit disappointed when he bets only 16.

I feel I missed value. What do you think?


SB: $80.00
BB: $500.00
UTG: $80.00
UTG+1: $80.00
MP1: $80.00
Hero (MP2): $320.00
CO: $80.00
BTN: $80.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is MP2 with J J
2 folds, MP1 calls $2, Hero raises to $8, 3 folds, BB calls $6, MP1 calls $6

Flop: ($25.00) A J 3 (3 players)
BB bets $16, MP1 folds, Hero calls $16

Turn: ($57.00) 8 (2 players)
BB bets $16, Hero raises to $50, BB calls $34

River: ($157.00) 10 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $75, BB calls $75

Last edited by Dadou76; 03-26-2014 at 09:24 AM.
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03-26-2014 , 09:28 AM
I agree in raising this flop if he is sticky with Ax.

As played, I am betting more turn and river.

Last edited by Stellamoose; 03-26-2014 at 09:29 AM. Reason: See you added the 10c to river - thx!
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03-26-2014 , 09:45 AM
You could raise PF but you chose not to ... no big deal. Play it both ways.

We are NOT raising this Flop ... EVER. Let him think he has control of the betting going into the Turn. You can end the hand right here with a raise too often IMO. You have position and this board stinks for a lot of hands. Get your raise in there on the Turn (which you did) when the pot is bigger and looks more attractive to call.

Turn raise is fine, but you could go up to $60 perhaps with your raise. I like the sizing as you havn't really let on that you have a stronger hand than Ax yourself.

River is fine also at 50-60% of pot .. He will call with most Ax hands and raise with 2 pair.

Not sure why you are disappointed here. He probably showed down AQ/AK. GL
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03-26-2014 , 09:55 AM
Raise larger PF. $14-$16 is good.

Flatting the flop is okay, but we can at least consider raising to build the pot.

Turn raise is good.

River sizing is too small. Bet around $100-$150. He isn't folding an ace.
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03-26-2014 , 10:11 AM
When we are deep i will raise right here on the flop, in order to be able to fire really big bets on the turn/river. Not only are we able to build a much bigger pot faster, but a flop raise looks a little bit less scary to our opponents than a big raise on the turn.Even better when he donks the flop into us, because a flop raise then can look like a bully raise aka "i dont believe your that strong raise" and villain very well can get sticky with all sort of hands. If he happens to have two pair here he might even spazz and raise us back on the flop- who knows.

I will raise on the flop, and pray he is on the top of his donking range with AQ or AK, or even Aces up here.(wich will be gold of course).
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03-26-2014 , 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by answer20
You could raise PF but you chose not to ... no big deal. Play it both ways.

We are NOT raising this Flop ... EVER. Let him think he has control of the betting going into the Turn. You can end the hand right here with a raise too often IMO. You have position and this board stinks for a lot of hands. Get your raise in there on the Turn (which you did) when the pot is bigger and looks more attractive to call.

Turn raise is fine, but you could go up to $60 perhaps with your raise. I like the sizing as you havn't really let on that you have a stronger hand than Ax yourself.

River is fine also at 50-60% of pot .. He will call with most Ax hands and raise with 2 pair.

Not sure why you are disappointed here. He probably showed down AQ/AK. GL
Disappointed as I played the hand quit standard with a player that I know has tendencies of a calling station. But, maybe the board was just too uncoordinated to win a big pot even vs him
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03-26-2014 , 10:19 AM
I assume this hand is on-line?
Turn raise looks too small. We're giving him better than 4:1 on his money to call.
It's not that we need to deny him odds to try to anything, it's that he will call more with worse and still be getting good odds.

I'd raise to $75 or so. People who don't like this either call everything when raised, or fold everything when raised. So, going somewhere in the middle just value cuts us when hes the first type.
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03-26-2014 , 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by DaYu
Raise larger PF. $14-$16 is good.

Flatting the flop is okay, but we can at least consider raising to build the pot.

Turn raise is good.

River sizing is too small. Bet around $100-$150. He isn't folding an ace.
I try to stay very consistent with my pf raise. Agree for the river sizing. 125 would have been very fine
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03-26-2014 , 10:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilmour
When we are deep i will raise right here on the flop, in order to be able to fire really big bets on the turn/river. Not only are we able to build a much bigger pot faster, but a flop raise looks a little bit less scary to our opponents than a big raise on the turn.Even better when he donks the flop into us, because a flop raise then can look like a bully raise aka "i dont believe your that strong raise" and villain very well can get sticky with all sort of hands. If he happens to have two pair here he might even spazz and raise us back on the flop- who knows.

I will raise on the flop, and pray he is on the top of his donking range with AQ or AK, or even Aces up here.(wich will be gold of course).
Agreed
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03-26-2014 , 10:34 AM
This is a live hand? If so, raise/bet more at every possible spot. Sizings are too small.

You left a lot of $$ on the table IMO.

I think flop could go either way against described opponent but if flatting I am betting a lot more at every opportunity
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03-26-2014 , 02:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dadou76
I have pretty good read on BB. When he donk 16 on this board texture, he has a relatively strong made hand, Ax 100% of the time, could be A5. Def, not a draw. He is a bit of a calling station too. As we are very deep, I really thinking to play this hand for stack and raise the flop and go for full value turn and river, but I decided otherwise, just calling on the flop.

When I called the flop I was thinking he will lead bigger on turn and therefore I could build a big pot from there. and I a bit disappointed when he bets only 16.

I feel I missed value. What do you think?


SB: $80.00
BB: $500.00
UTG: $80.00
UTG+1: $80.00
MP1: $80.00
Hero (MP2): $320.00
CO: $80.00
BTN: $80.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is MP2 with J J
2 folds, MP1 calls $2, Hero raises to $8, 3 folds, BB calls $6, MP1 calls $6

Flop: ($25.00) A J 3 (3 players)
BB bets $16, MP1 folds, Hero calls $16

Turn: ($57.00) 8 (2 players)
BB bets $16, Hero raises to $50, BB calls $34

River: ($157.00) 10 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $75, BB calls $75
If you feel strongly that he has a good ace - then :
raise to 50 OTF. 75 OTT. AI on river.

V is never folding to your flop raise with a good ace. A week ace might find a fold but again this might be player dependent. 75 OTT builds up the pot to 275, easy ship on river for 180 odd. The 75 OTT is also callable with a decent ace for a calling station type.

If you feel he looks scared/nervous on the river and may fold an ace, bet 90-100 on river else shove.
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