Hero: 30 y/o, white. Been at the table for about 2 hrs. Very active IP, viewed as LAG by all other thinking villains. Viewed as a winning aggressive player by both villains in hand. Sitting with about $400.

V1: 40 y/o black business man. Solid TAG. Doesn't get out of line too much, but very capable of running the occasional bluff when the situation arises. Been at the table about an hour, sitting with $200.

V2: 45 y/o white business man recreational player/donk. Very very splashy pre, in position and out, and very aggressive and occasionally extremely spewy post. Sitting with $100.

Hero has years of history with both villains and very much know their tendencies.

OTTH:

UTG Folds
+1 Folds
Hero in MP raises to $15 w/JcJs
V2 in CO calls
Btn folds
SB folds
V1 in BB 3b to $40

Have not seen V1 3b yet today, but know he is very much capable of 3b AJ+ and 1010+.

Hero flats
V2 flats as expected.

Flop: Jh9h9s

V1 checks, hero checks, V2 (surprisingly) checks behind.

Turn: 5s

V1 asks V2 how much he has and V2 says "enough to call you" (wtf?)
V1 bets $60
Hero?

So does V2 have $100 after committing $40 pre or after? With action as it has played out I would just call and expect V2 to shove. Once V1 calls he is pretty much committed and you can just take the rest on the river.

Not sure what your question is??

So I'm assuming the straddle was on the button. Don't mind any of the play. Call the turn bet in hopes V2 comes along. Get it in on the river...stack sizes are shallow so not much to this hand. Rake in the pot....easy game.

Raising would be ******ed so just flat. You only have to get in another $100 on the river...why is this a question?

Obviously never scared of any river card and villians can only improve their hands. flat turn and bomb river.

This will be so easy to get it in on the river. Unfortunately your opponents are playing so shallow? Is that the question?

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No V2 starts hand with $100, so he has $60 behind.

Straddle is UTG, so as posted UTG = first to act after the straddle.

The question is, would raising here be ******ed? I thought so. But, that doesn't necessarily mean the case is closed.

We know that V2 calls off with anything and everything that remotely hits this board (and is always drawing dead due to his check on the flop). V1 isn't a fish so he knows that V2 is stacking off light, and thus his betting range is essentially QQ+ and AQ/AKss/hh.

Obviously we want to flat to let the donkey stack off... But, if he's stacking off anyway and V1 has QQ+ most of the time then maybe raising isn't ******ed because 3/4 of the deck could kill our action on the river?



I think I basically made the maximum, barring a 9 or total brick on the river... but that's not the point.

It got me thinking about leading flop on hands like this. Not necessarily on THIS hand, but hands where we flop the top boat in general.

In multiway (4+) pots I pretty much always lead the flop, especially OOP with flopped sets/straights/nf's.

What would be wrong with betting this flop, and why?

If the river is almost any card Q or lower, we get the rest of V1's stack. Sometimes we don't if the river is a spade, but it happens sometimes.

The hand was played fine.

We don't always get stacks and that's just how life goes.

Sure, there are some ugly cards on the river.

But that doesn't mean that he's just check folding with KK here. Or AA, or QQ, whatever OP he has. After you flat, the pot will have $300 in it, on the river he either shoves, and we call, ldo, or he checks, we shove and gets 4:1 on his money and he calls almost all river cards. Except a J, an A and that's about it. He sometimes even calls on river spades.