1/2 private game

15ish core people in the weekly game. I am able to go about 1/2 the time. I have been crushing the game for 2 years. They don't care. We're all friendly and it's a good atmosphere. I mostly tag it up and value them but they are aware I will play big draws fast. They think I bet too much with nut ish hands but continue to pay me off. No one here is scared money

Effective stacks 500

7 handed

V1 BB late thirties. Loose passive but plays made hands very fast and will overplay hands with mediocre relative value often

v2 utg 60ish even fisher than v1 but not too relevant

V2 raises to 12 utg

Hero calls on button with Jh9h

V1 calls

Flop Ah 10h 8s

V1 leads 16 range-any ace "feeler bet" heart draw possible also

V2 calls range is literally any pocket pair, feel like he would do some smallish raise wit a solid ace. Could also have a suited kq KJ gutter

Hero???

If they know you play your draws fast, how do they respond when they think you have a draw?

Personally, I've found when there's an A on the flop and I'm NOT the preflop raiser, you don't have nearly as much fold equity with your draw as you'd like.

As played, I'm definitely raising. Make it $54.

Raise to 50-75 depending on your history. If you don't wanna raise this I'd say fold pf.

I definitely raise. I raise because I am either hoping to win the pot right there, get it all in or, if called, I want a free river card. If it's like the private games I play in, you are going to get a lot of people who may want to call you all they way with Top pair bunches of kickers.... It will make the draw the cheapest if you want a free river at your price, or it will build the pot if you think hammering the turn is the better option.

Raise flop to 62

I call. It's on the weaker side, but you describe these guys as paying you off when you are obviously value-betting them. If you raise and get 3bet it's not amazing although you have a ton of equity, or they fold hands that could improve as you improve, which would pay you off down the road.

You have position also.

If you want to raise, I prefer raising the turn if you don't get there yet. I like raising an amount to make stacks shove-able on the river for when you hit, and taking it down on the turn is a bigger pot than taking it down on the flop. Also, a lot of these kinds of guys will stay in on the turn and not have it to stay on for a big river bet. So if the river misses with the right card, you might be able to bluff for it. A river non-heart 2 doesn't accommodate this, but some cards do.

raise to 70.

I prefer a raise on the flop as opposed to the turn even though you have position. I'm not saying I'm right but that is my preference.

Honestly against fish on this board, I'd just call, especially in position. I'm calling because this is a board I think I can stack a villain if I hit.

The ace on the board is great for us because it makes it very likely that the fish will call turn and river raises. This seems like a great situation to get in cheaply until we hit a hand and then punish them big if we hit. We'll probably stack a villain that has AQ if a Q hits.

If the board read 10h 8s 2h, I'd raise here. It's less likely that the fish will call off it big cards hit.

Also, if the hero is going to semi-bluff, I like a bluff on the turn better. Turn bluffs get much more respect against villains than flop bluffs. Plus the pot to steal will be bigger since the villain is likely to lead out on the turn.

In our history V1 has passively defended his top pair type hands vs me. He's def on the sticky side but he'll try to keep the pot as small as possible when hee doesn't know where he's at.

I recall a couple times he has folded to my second barrel on dry boards and begrudgingly commented how he will fold the winner because he knows a big river bet is comig

I have seen him vs other players spaz out with over pair when facing a raise on a wet board and get it in way behind vs two pair or set

Raise to $72. If you get re-raised, shovel the $ into the middle.

Hero raises to 65

V1 reraises to 175, leaving 300ish behind

V2 folds

Now what?

Now I reevaluate v1s range to 101010, 888, a10, a8, 108

He never flats AA pre here
He doesn't play a combo draw fast like this

Do I have fold equity with this villain?

I think shove>fold>call...thoughts?

This.

As played shove. It doesn't matter that you have zero fold equity at this point.

Gotta roll with it and shove. Also I like the flop raise better than the turn raise because it disguises your hand better and also your putting money on with a lot of equity. On the turn your equity drops significantly if you don't hit.

I go all in here.
Reason: If you apply the range you mentioned: TT, 88, ATs, ATo, A8s, A8o,
T8s, T8o only, then you have 52% equity in the pot. Here is where you ship it and hope the guy has 45h and is your best friend for life!

Oh yeah, I wouldn't count on fold equity.

He should never have any lower flush draws here really...

So we are flippin for stacks against an A and or 2 pairs- 40% against sets- and 30% against a higher flush draw like qk hh... If we can see 2 cards...Yuk not how i like to get my monies in really.

fist pump
ship it
beat your chest
take dump on the table if you lose

I'd probably raise to take control of the pot.

Yea this was my line of thinking after the hand. Fwiw I shoved, he called with top two and I made a straight with Q on the river for a nice pot

I just feel like I got into omg big combo draw get money in mode during the hand and didn't take optimal line here vs this villain

just call then. fold if board pairs on turn, otherwise call.

don't see why you'd shove with no fold equity.

I'm massively confused as to why you guys want to spite shove here.

Call turn, call river if board doesn't pair is clearly the right play.

Pre-flop pot is $37 ($12 * 3 + $1 (SB))

Money on the flop has been $16, $16, $65, $159 ($256).

Hero has to call $110 to win $293 at the moment, so folding isn't an option.

Let's look at the possible turn. If a blank comes on the turn, the villain is likely to shove. The hero would then have to call about $313 to win $716. The hero would have to be right 30.4% (313/1029) of the time to call that bet. If the villain has a set, the hero would have a 29.55% chance. If the villain has Ace-ten suited, the hero has a 34.09% chance. So the hero can in fact call the villain's shove even on the turn.

You can make the case for just calling the re-raise on the flop and you can make the case for raising all-in. I think in this case, either play is correct.

The case for raising all-in is absolutely 100% not correct. You need fold equity, and you have none. Is it profitable? Yeah. It's it the correct play? No.

Agree with ike.. I didnt bother posting this opinion but it is right on.. We should only be raising if we are ahead / or have fold equity.... If not call bra...