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10-22-2016 , 01:32 AM

XXX555666

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Hi all second interesting hand I played tonight V has an effective stack of around 160ish

Hero: a little tilted but trying to control it. Has been playing tagish preflop passive post flop. (not good I know)

V: brand new to the table no reads sat down probably 5 hands ago

OTTH: 2 limpers, hero raises J10:

in MP to 15 BB calls, two EP limpers call, (pot 60) flop J 10 8

everyone checks to hero who bets 50. one EP folds other jams for 145 total. Hero?

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10-22-2016 , 01:32 AM

XXX555666

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sorry the game is 1/3 and hero raises to $15 not 15 BB

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10-22-2016 , 02:09 AM

Buster65

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Not quite the right pot odds to call, unless he has a LOT of suited junk. Fold.

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10-22-2016 , 02:32 AM

Minatorr

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Easy call

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10-22-2016 , 02:44 AM

browni3141

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Originally Posted by Buster65

Not quite the right pot odds to call, unless he has a LOT of suited junk. Fold.

We don't have odds if we're always drawing to a 4 outer, but this isn't the case. Villain can be jamming hands like T8/J8/T9/J9/AJ etc. sometimes. This is a very clear call.

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10-22-2016 , 02:45 AM

NebDanger

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Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 673

Top two on a wet board vs total unknown player when you're getting almost 2.5 to 1?

Gotta call all day

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10-22-2016 , 02:53 AM

Buster65

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Originally Posted by browni3141

We don't have odds if we're always drawing to a 4 outer, but this isn't the case. Villain can be jamming hands like T8/J8/T9/J9/AJ etc. sometimes. This is a very clear call.

Eh, those usually lead, IME. X/jam in my game is usually sets, straights, n combo draws.

All games are different, I know....

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10-22-2016 , 03:53 AM

Philly03

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Originally Posted by Buster65

Eh, those usually lead, IME. X/jam in my game is usually sets, straights, n combo draws.

All games are different, I know....

People usually lead into the preflop aggressor? Interesting games you must play in.

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10-22-2016 , 06:08 AM

WereBeer

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In game I call pretty fast, but put villain on a range and do the calculations, see how it comes out.

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10-22-2016 , 06:35 AM

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Buster65

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Originally Posted by Philly03

People usually lead into the preflop aggressor? Interesting games you must play in.

Yeah, they check their monsters and air, but lead their medium strength hands "to see where they are at". From things I've read on these forums, I assumed most games play like this.

BTW: That's a population read, of course. I know plenty of guys who play differently, but well, I know how they play...

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10-22-2016 , 11:27 AM

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swingline

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You have blockers to 2 of the sets and V is short-ish stacked, which in my experience makes players wayyyy more likely to stack off on the flop with draws or weaker 2 pair. Given that and the odds you're getting you snap call and say "nice hand" when shown a set or made straight or a draw gets there on you and move on. Nothing to lose sleep over. If V were 100bbs deep this would be much more borderline but I still probably call, if V were meaningfully deeper I probably fold.

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10-22-2016 , 12:58 PM

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prairiebreeze

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This is a snap call 100% of the time. Especially because of stack sizes

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10-22-2016 , 02:44 PM

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johnnyBuz

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On what planet are we ever folding top two when we started the hand with 53 BB's and have already put in 40% of our stack?

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10-22-2016 , 03:00 PM

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Tilty_McDonkawhirl

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Originally Posted by Philly03

People usually lead into the preflop aggressor? Interesting games you must play in.

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Happens all the time out here in Bay Area cardrooms.

Oh yea - and folding is bad

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10-22-2016 , 03:17 PM

#15

Madian

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isi call

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10-22-2016 , 03:42 PM

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rockville9

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Never folding for $100 with top2 on dray heavy board. Vil shows up with A9

at best. Possibly K9. It depends if the J on board is a diamond or the off suit card. If the J is a diamond, its likely he is jamming the nfd with A

.

Only flopped straights Q9 and 79. He could have any Ax

, Kx

, K9o, T8, probably 100 different hand combos that we are ahead of vs. the few flopped straight hands.

Plus its only $100 more to win about $250. Call.

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10-22-2016 , 03:53 PM

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NelsonWelson

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Fold pre.

We're given a price of $145 to win a total pot of $390. We're paying 37% of the total pot, so we need greater than 37% equity vs his range.

It's tough without any info on the villain, one of the advantages of live poker vs online is you get so much more information from your opponent. Anyway, if we give him a range of

AA-88,AdKd-AdJd,KdQd,KdJd,QdJd,Q9s,JT,79s, we have 48% equity in the pot. If we add all suited aces, we have 55% equity. With these stack sizes fire it in there for sure. But folding pre is still better.

Pls flame me if my math is off or may range is missing cards/doesn't make sense.

Last edited by NelsonWelson; 10-22-2016 at 03:59 PM.

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10-22-2016 , 04:23 PM

#18

grinderatac

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Originally Posted by NelsonWelson

I think folding preflop is so nitty

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10-22-2016 , 04:41 PM

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NelsonWelson

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Originally Posted by grinderatac

I think folding preflop is so nitty

Yeah but it's $1/2 FR and stacks are short. Why would you not be nitty.

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10-23-2016 , 02:11 AM

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PFunkaliscious

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Originally Posted by browni3141

We don't have odds if we're always drawing to a 4 outer, but this isn't the case. Villain can be jamming hands like T8/J8/T9/J9/AJ etc. sometimes. This is a very clear call.

no ****. with two diamonds out there this is a no brainer snap call.

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10-23-2016 , 03:54 PM

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The Real Luke Cage

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Call

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