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09-28-2018 , 03:43 PM
Hey guys fun action 1/3 game here the max bet is 300$.

This game is from a crazy table I was playing at last night. There were 3 friends that were getting drunk and playing lots of mediocre hands for decent money to my right.

I'm young kid only entering for a raise and made some "big" for 1/3 raises in these straddled pots so I think I'm viewed as laggy by villain but hes also crazy gambly guy so hard to know how much that is playing into his thinking.

Main villain is in the LJ has been talking a lot about how he loves baccarat and loves to gamble. Went all in blind for 300 earlier against his friend sitting in MP. Has been routinely grabbing a stack of 20-35 chips and throwing it in blind to raise preflop. Just overall playing very wide and willing to put in big money with draws/air. VPIP is close to 100% Has been straddling large as well.

In this hand a somewhat gambly asian guy straddles the button to 10$. Main villain and his two friends to the left call 10 and MAWG (ok reg compared to the fish) calls as well.

Action is on me and I think I have a decision here with A7 (650 effective with main villain other Vs are all at least 100 bb deep. The button has also raised up his straddle big when limped around to him, last time I had a hand like this I overlimped and he pumped it up and I folded. Overall I think I have a profitable iso because this gambly guy is vpiping close to 100% preflop. Also the fact that I got pushed out by button last time he straddled played a role in deciding to raise here.

I decided to raise to 80$ and everyone but main Villain folds

Flop ($204) A 8 6

V checks I bet 100$ V calls

Turn (404$) 5

V checks hero?
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09-28-2018 , 03:50 PM
This hand is usually a raise for me, although it's definitely okay to limp and I'm not sure which is actually better. If BU is consistently getting out of line, limp re-raising is probably much better. Your sizing is a bit big, but that's fine to isolate the action junkie.

My standard in this spot is to check, but against this player type I'd make an exception and maxbet/call it off. You're way ahead of his range which is probably any pair, any draw, including some combos of just backdoors. You have plenty of equity when behind. Just going to go ahead and check river if we don't improve. I'm calling any donk bet he makes.
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09-28-2018 , 04:24 PM
Fold preflop.

Low Suited Aces, especially in loose games are obviously profitable, however you truly beat these kind of games by playing a style that is in contrast to your opponents. By widening your raising range, you are essentially playing into their hands.

It sounds like your PF raises are going to get called no matter what, so might as well have the goods when you do.
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09-28-2018 , 04:49 PM
I'm not convinced the best way to play in this type of game is to attempt to isolate with huge raises with pretty speculative hands which will put huge stacks in play. I'm also not convinced the best way to play these types of games is to always come in for a raise. I likely would have just overlimped and attempted to see a relative cheap flop, and if I flopped well then gotten it in with these guys who seem like they are fine with getting it in with not so much.

Thanks to preflop we've setup a SPR of 2.5 and flopped TP on a drawy board. For better or worse, I feel committed at this point. I'd PSB the flop to setup a trivial turn shove, or against really gambooley guys perhaps even shove (since we'll never be able to fold).

As played (not liking our flop sizing) we've only got a PSB left or so behind, so I ship it in.

I'm not going to take too hard a line of preflop cuz I'm not really sure. However, one thing I will say is this preflop line will create incredibly high variance situations, and my guess is most people aren't cut out for these situations mentally.

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09-28-2018 , 06:23 PM
Pre is ok but marginal.

Otf I think I'd check with bdsd, tpwk.

Ott I would definitely check, not a great card for your range. If you get raised, it's an awful spot. Not the main reason to check though. You can catch a lot of bluffs otr vs his airballs and if you river a straight, he'll never give you credit for one. Nice to be able to have straights otr after we check here besides 77.
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09-28-2018 , 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Minatorr
Pre is ok but marginal.

Otf I think I'd check with bdsd, tpwk.

Ott I would definitely check, not a great card for your range. If you get raised, it's an awful spot. Not the main reason to check though. You can catch a lot of bluffs otr vs his airballs and if you river a straight, he'll never give you credit for one. Nice to be able to have straights otr after we check here besides 77.
Why do you like a flop check back against described V? against a more standard player I’m checking back to pot control all day. But this guy is a whale calling with any piece. I just feel like we miss a lot of value by checking back flop.
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09-28-2018 , 07:25 PM
We want to play as many big pots in position against this gambly dude as possible. A7s is a snap value-raise to isolate the fish, who is probably limp-calling with a huge chunk of hands that we dominate.

As far as turn play, I'm probably checking the turn and making a value bet if it checks to us on the river. Villain will probably call a river bet with all the random lower pairs, but we risk his folding if we bet turn.
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09-28-2018 , 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by megamen70
Why do you like a flop check back against described V? against a more standard player I’m checking back to pot control all day. But this guy is a whale calling with any piece. I just feel like we miss a lot of value by checking back flop.
From your description he seems like an aggro whale who will put a lot of chips in with bluffs/air/draws. If he actually is vpiping 100% he folds a decent amount vs a flop bet. If you check the A flop, maybe he’ll go bananas on future streets with a super wide range. Against a passive whale yeah sure i’d bet but vs a wild guy i’d check to let him hang himself, plus A7 is not a 3 street hand so gotta check somewhere
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09-29-2018 , 07:34 AM
I'm playing for the whole stack here, you got top pair vs a close to 100% vpiping whale who is not going to be folding any of his pair+draws or bare fds. I like a bigger bet on the flop and possibly a max bet on the turn and shoving the river ofc. This is where you make the big $$$$ in these games. Don't be scared like most nits because you have a mediocre hand. This hand is the nuts vs a 90-100% vpip. If you happened to be beat you still have your OESD as backup.
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09-29-2018 , 08:21 AM
The turn card means your in for the long haul if you weren't before. Shove
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09-29-2018 , 08:41 AM
Preflop: I love the squeeze preflop. It's obviously high variance but I think that it's higher EV than just flatting, especially when you can successfully isolate the spewtard whale, like you've just done.

Flop: I like the $100 bet too. I'd bet smaller against a semi-competent player, but I like this large bet against a whale.

Turn: Definitely just going to max bet ($300) / call it off here against the whale. I expect him to chase any draw and get sticky with some middling pairs too.
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09-29-2018 , 11:11 AM
If you don’t know what to do fold preflop.

As played bet. As much as he will call.
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09-29-2018 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by mrdestiny
I'm playing for the whole stack here, you got top pair vs a close to 100% vpiping whale who is not going to be folding any of his pair+draws or bare fds. I like a bigger bet on the flop and possibly a max bet on the turn and shoving the river ofc. This is where you make the big $$$$ in these games. Don't be scared like most nits because you have a mediocre hand. This hand is the nuts vs a 90-100% vpip. If you happened to be beat you still have your OESD as backup.
This was kind of my thinking on the hand I definitely wasn't gonna fold if I bet but also considered checking to increase the likelihood I get looked up on the river when its a pretty bluffy line. I ended up betting 250 and he folded pretty quickly.
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09-30-2018 , 02:03 AM
Seems like an ok spot to check to encourage worse to bluff on the river. Shove really doesn't fold out any worse, maybe an ace with a slightly better kicker but it's not obvious villain can fold that to a shove anyway.
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09-30-2018 , 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by mrdestiny
I'm playing for the whole stack here, you got top pair vs a close to 100% vpiping whale who is not going to be folding any of his pair+draws or bare fds. I like a bigger bet on the flop and possibly a max bet on the turn and shoving the river ofc. This is where you make the big $$$$ in these games. Don't be scared like most nits because you have a mediocre hand. This hand is the nuts vs a 90-100% vpip. If you happened to be beat you still have your OESD as backup.
nailed it.

keep in mind. V will never be trapping you here. or outplaying you. This is nothing but a race to dodge the cards he needs while getting as much money out of him as you can. go as big as you can.
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