Table is full of loose passives not many folds to iso's should I just limp along in these spots or even fold. So many times I had 3 or more limps in front of me with JT+, or 88+. I'm assuming we tend to iso more in position.


1. KQo 3 limps
2. QTo in mp 2 limps
3. AJo in sb 4 limps
4. KTo sb vs 4 limps
5. AQo bu vs 5 limps
6. 88 co vs 3 limps

Flops have several players which makes it tough because can't really cb into 4 or 5 players when miss flop. Should I be limping along mostly with hands that aren't premiums when there are 3 or more limpers in front of me even though my range is generally stronger than the limps (of course they are limping AA, KK sometimes too)?

1. raise
2. fold
3. raise
4. complete
5. raise
6. raise

Without knowing effective stack sizes its hard to provide proper feedback to this. If that isn't immediately obvious to you then you're probably doing something wrong.

Assuming effective stack sizes of around $260:

1. From the button or cuttoff, raise. From the SB, complete. From the BB, check. From anywhere else fold.
2. Fold.
3. Complete.
4. Fold.
5. Raise.
6. Raise.

Good point on the stack sizes but there were all types 3 of us were deep, but lots of 2/3 stackss and a couple of $100 stacks. None of the short stackers were limp reraising or anything though. Online I adjust my iso amounts according to stack size of villain plus how many but here with so many not really sure how to adjust when you have 3 -5 different limpers all with different stack sizes. Short stackers were still like 60 vpips.

I would appreciate your thoughts on adjusting when iso live with varied stack sizes and numbers of limpers, ie. 1 bb per limper etc.

I'm sure I missed many things playing live man I missed my HUD . I also turned into a passive Pus^y post flop with so many callers.

It depends.

As a wild generalisation, in live low stakes, you only want to be isoing under these kinds of conditions:

1) We are in the button or cutoff.
2) We are up against 2 or 3 limpers and can expect only 1 or 2 callers.
3) The limpers have stacks big enough such that a cbet is not going to put them to a commitment decision on the flop.
4) We have some sort of semi-genuine hand.

That doesn't make it tough. That makes it really easy. Against players who are good bluffers (that is, good enough that it's not easy for me to passively call them down because they bluff too much), I sometimes like to force them into more multi-way pots where they either can't use their bluffing skill or they fail to compensate and end up making the mistake of bluffing too much.

AQo I raise maybe half the time, 88 I sometimes raise with the intention of my raise being a pot-builder that I expect to be called. The other hands, I just call with. Basically, in this spot, I would probably only raise with the hands where I am not unhappy if everyone calls the raise and I raise an amount where I don't set up a player who has at least around the same stack as me in a good situation to make a pot-sized shove (or a bet that effectively puts me all-in) on the flop that puts me in a difficult position if I flop top pair.

1) raise
2)fold
3) usually raise ( especially with winning image)
4) complete
5) fistpump raise
6) raise

1) raise and expect to get rich
2) fold but if stacks are deep and people are playing passively I limp along
3) probably raising but sometimes no
4) complete
5) raise and expect to get very rich
6) raise/limp behind (usually my bottom of my iso is 99 here but 88 is fine too, I just don't feel very comfortable, I rather iso KTs)

There is a raise amount that will result in only one or two callers. You have to work your way up to it during the game to find it. It may be 6x, or it may be 12x, or more or less. Once you find the correct amount, you would raise in all six situations against loose/passive opponents. You're ahead of their limp/calling range. They won't adjust by 3betting light, instead, they will try to trap you. So when they show aggression on future streets, you can comfortably fold in most situations.

In some games, that doesn't exist in many hands.

That may be. This is a loose/passive game. Their PF limping range makes it very unlikely that 3 or 4 limpers will call a 10x raise. They just can't continue to limp/call 85s, 76o, J8s, etc, etc for large raises.

In a loose/passive game, I highly recommend this strategy.

If you are uncomfortable playing your hand in a raised multi-way pot, I'd recommend against it if the loosest player at the table is in one of the 2-3 seats to your left and one caller is likely to start a train of people calling because they think they have pot odds.

There is also a certain breed of player who just wants to see flops with a wide range of hands, but will be aggressive with semibluffs and even bluffing with air when they sense with weakness after the flop. They are sometimes more likely to be tricky when the pot is big and they think it is worth trying to bluff at. When I recognize such players, I sometimes like to keep the pot below a certain threshold so they play more predictably.

Lol if that is true, just wait for aq+ and 1010+ and ship it pre and make loads of monies. Most players, even bad ones, have a threshold for what they'll call raises with. For those that don't, just wait for a premium hand.

Assuming 100bb stacks, what do u guys raise pre with from early and middle positions??? Is raising 1010+ and aq+ fine or am i losing tons of value??? Sometimes I even limp in pre wih 1010 and ak. Even with a hand like ak, I hate raising to $20 only to get 3-5 callers and then have to check fold the flop cause ill miss 2/3 times and can't bluff out everyone. And raising to $30-35 seems ridiculous since I'm risking 10+% of my stack

I balance my raising range with premium hands like JJ+/AQ/AK and speculative hands that can hit hard on flops where you hate playing a big pot with AA. I would rather get 3-5 callers than just take down the blinds when I have AK.

Anything is possible. All situations arise if we play enough poker. However, there is a wide enough PF range, and a general mindset among rec loose/passive players that can be exploited a large enough percentage of the time to be profitable.

I can only suggest that you try finding a large enough PF raise amount to iso loose/passive players, and see what you think.

I would raise from EP with normal premium hands like TT+, AQs+ and fold everything else. I'm not a big fan of open limping, although I've read some posts that make a good case for it.

I would raise whatever amount would iso one or two players. If it's 10% of your stack, you can still fold to a 3b, and you leave yourself room to cbet. You're only opening premium hands, so you'll be able to value bet alot of your range even if you miss the flop.

Nah, I just let other people try to iso and watch them fail miserably.

The only problem with that is the people you're watching fail don't understand post flop play like you do. I can't help but think if you found yourself in large pots, two or three way, that you're experience and hand reading skills would give you a huge edge. Especially when your value hands are only having to fade 1/5th of the deck instead of 1/4 or 1/3.

1. In LP, I'd tend to raise KQo after multiple limpers as I don't believe it plays all that great multiway. But I'm making a big raise here to make sure I give myself a realistic chance of thinning the field. I'd go $25.

2. Even though there has been a couple of limps to us, I think MP is just too early to consider playing / raising with QTo, so I'd muck. I'd probably overlimp with QTs (where I'm not playing for TP).

3. AJo plays horrible multiway, but I also hate playing it in a bloated pot OOP. I think I take the best of two evils and just see a flop for cheap and I'm being extremely careful postflop (where I'm giving up on TP fairly easily).

4. With the 1/3 blind structure, I think I'm just mucking KTo from the SB if I'm on my A game, although I'll admit if I'm card dead I'm typically completing broadway hands here (which might be leaky OOP).

5. I'm raising AQo big here to again have a chance at thinning the field. I'm probably going to $30 after so many limps.

6. I'm overlimping 88 after 3+ limpers in LP. I'm simply passing on my very small equity advantage preflop so that I can setmine and then capitalize on a huge equity advantage postflop when I hit. If there were 0/1 limpers to me, I'd raise because it's just less likely that I'm going to hit a set while a lone opponent or two also hits a hand worth paying off; 2 limpers is borderline, whatever, for me.

In general, with hands that make TPgoodK, I'm not looking to play against the world, so I'm typically raising big with these hands in order to thin the field (2 opponents at absolute most) and go to the flop in position. Note that our raises really have to be on the big side here in order to thin the field after multiple limpers (my opening raise at 1/3 is usually $15+ and after a couple/few limpers that very quickly jumps to $20/$25 or even $30). If none of these things (thinning the field, seeing a flop in position) are likely to happen, then I'm carefully seeing a flop with these TP type hands and playing very cautiously postflop (and mucking TP fairly easily). With hands that play better multiway, I'm cool with just seeing a flop, making a hand, and stacking one of the eleventeen players that I've allowed to see a flop.

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