Hero has a good winning image and covers table;

V- BTN is a Loose Passive Rec; shown to be VERY sticky; (eg called EP pfr flop and turn barrel with 22 on a middling board)

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5/5 NL
800 effective w/ V OTB

Ep bad Reg limps
J9 CO 25, V Btn calls, bb and limp calls = 4 ways
T37 (100)
X x 60, btn call, fold fold = HU
Turn T (220)
140, call
River A (500)
Hero?

Not sure you could find a worse hand to bet bet postflop. AP give up.

cbetting 4 way with a gutter and no bdfd pretty bad.

should be checking a lot on this turn give up with this hand for sure.

we block 89, villain probably isn't folding Tx, can have all the boats, and def has some flushes.

OTF, we have a good image, table is pretty straightforward, and we can barrel lots of turn cards (8, J, Q, K, A).

Turn, I would normally shut it down, but getting called by this particular sticky V, I am targeting mid pp's, 7x, and fd's
River, though it was interesting since V could not have had A-hi fd, weighting him more towards marginal hands. Can we not bet 1/2p OTR to fold out those hands?

Decent chance this checks through. No BD flush and a sticky V otb. AP you're trying to fold out a sticky player? Sounds terrible.

Targeting those hands how exactly? Sounds like they will just call you and be ahead and it'll be hard to get him to fold river.

It's a bad turn to barrel as our range never improves from the flop. It also favours the caller as they have more TX than we do. Even vs non-sticky villains I would advise against it, but vs described villain it's suicidal.

Those turn cards arent exactly good to barrel.

Cbet flop is big spew.

So is turn bet. You dont rep anything here. If you had a FH you’d probably check to trap, and JJ+ should be a check. Plus he would not fold 7x, med PP, or FDs anyway so you’re just lighting money on fire

Otr if you wanna bluff, go for the all-in and dont pussy bet with a 1/2 psb. It should get through a good amount

I disagree with everything here.

Flop is close, but def not spew with that texture and our image.

Turn, lol at basically checking our entire value range checking here to induce this V type.

Flop bet is very spewy. If hero is going to take a triple barrel line often, I prefer smaller bet on the turn. It's not clear this is a good river to continue on though

Flop isnt close at all. You have J high with 3 outs to the nuts in a 4-way pot with a sticky V ip.

I didnt read reads on V (sticky player), so yes if we have a FH/trips we gotta keep barreling, so yeah i screwed up that bc sometimes i have a bad habit of not looking at reads too carefully and just going with a line in a vacuum. But flop/turn bet are really bad, and imo it’s impossible to make a case that flop bet and turn bet AP are +EV at all. Try using Flopzilla or pokerstove and plug in some ranges, your J high isn’t “close” at all

Checking JJ+ ott even vs a loose fish cant be bad, Tx is horrible for our range and he literally has every Tx in his range. He can bluff with a wide range of hands that we will make a lot of money by x/inducing. He will bet way more hands ott than he will call with vs our bet.

You can make a case for checking overpairs w/ OTT, but not betting because V will bluff us off our hand is MUBSY at LLSNL. When he raises, it's just time to let it go.

OTT, V is sticky (plug a sticky range into stove and see how much marginal crap he has) so he can have 66,88,99, A7, K7, 87 so betting can't be that bad to fold out those marginal hands, as well as fd's...

but A OTR weights him to boats and Tx...good luck getting those to fold even with a jam.

I'm not not betting because V will bluff us off our hand. I'm checking because I believe it's around the same EV or possibly even higher EV than betting. By checking, we give him a super wide range where he can make mistakes range merging with his bets and make massive EV errors, and bluff with hands that have low equity that would have otherwise folded to our barrel. That's the whole point of checking to keep ranges wide. When we bet, our equity vs his continuing range is meh.

Bruh, if he is calling 22 vs two barrels from an EP raise on a middling board, he is not going to fold crap like 66/88/99/A7/K7/87 when the T pairs the board and we have less Tx & more perceived bluffs at any high frequency, and he "improves" to 2 pair and beats all our bluffs. When he calls with 2nd pair or an underpair the 10 is literally the "best" card for him in the deck other than smashing a FH or trips. He is also NOT folding a FD.

How does As weight him to boats and flushes otr? He still has a bunch of crap that arrives to the river like 66/88/99/A7/K7/87 and missed straight draws like 98s/98o/J9s/96. A lot of players will also raise 10x ott at say 30-60% frequency so he shouldn't have that many boats and as OP pointed out the As cuts down on a lot of his flush combos since everyone calls Ax sooooted

You need to slow down and read posts before ranting. Read the V types in descriptions and posts. OTR, never said he should have flushes, I said he is trips and boat heavy...A removes a ton of his flush draws calling OTT.

Lmao you’re nitpicking because you cant refute any logical point i made. So what if I misread your post because it sucks? It doesnt change the fact his range isnt “more weighted” towards FH and trips. His range otr is what his turn calling ranging is. Let me repeat. His river range is the same as his turn calling range, which is extremely wide. how does the As on the river magically “weight” or give higher frequency to him having boats and trips? LOL.

I did read the V description. He called 22 vs two barrels vs EP pfr. And I’m saying that you saying he’ll fold 2nd pair or an underpair on the best turn card in the deck for him is absolutely ludicrous. Did you read that part? Because if you did, you shouldnt be thinking that he’ll fold 7x or 88/99 ott to a turn barrel.

Flop is an easy check to try and realize equity on a board that isn't that great for our hand. Turn is terrible vs villain as described.

As for river, the last time I hero called with Jack high was vs a high stakes MTT pro and he told me it was the correct call...as he showed me a rivered 2 pair.

Bro...you are so all over the map. Your posts are pure ADD...you admitted earlier that you didn’t read V was a station and you shouldn’t be checking value hands OTT.

Let me explain this slow...when the river is the As, it removes a lot of his flush combos that he called with OTT. Therefore, his range is much different than if it were a different river.

Uh no. He has a gazillion FDs ott and the As only cuts down on 5-10% of his flush combos, so in overall his range his range is only 1-3% different. If you wanna nitpick that type of crap bc you cant refute my other posts then yeah sure lol. Classic.

The btn guy just has tons of flush draws. He also likely has spewy dbl gutters and open enders that we beat when he checks back. The rest is of his range is heroing pairs which I’ll live with losing at showdown with since it’s a relatively small fraction of what’s left and ordinarily his entire check back range is dead. I hate the whole hand AP, but putting in another bet is real bad on a spade.