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Insanity or great bluffs? Insanity or great bluffs?

03-06-2017 , 09:34 AM
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#1) 2/5
2 limps. MP makes it $15. MP1 calls. Hero 3 bets to $55 with QhTh.
Reason: Nobody raises to $15 after 2 limpers with a big hand and nobody calls $15 in that spot with a big hand
I expect to win this preflop most of the time but MP and MP1 call.

Flop ($180) JhTs4c. MP checks. MP1 leads $85. I shove $400 all in.

#2) 2/5
An hour later. MP1 from last hand opens to $15 from early MP. I'm 2 to his left and 3 bet him to $50 with Kh9h. He calls HU.
Flop ($105) 553. Check/check
Turn ($105) A. He check/calls $50
River ($205) A. He leads $125. I shove for $425. I realize this is maniacal but I dont believe he leads like that with an ace hardly ever. Why would he? Ill fold everything but an ace, but if he checks I will bluff a lot of the time.

#3) 5/10
UTG limps. EP raises to $50. I call with AK in HJ. BB and UTG call.
Flop ($200) T73 checks around
Turn ($200) 7. Whale in the BB leads $50. Folds to me and I call
River ($300) 4. Whale leads $70. I raise to $300.

$4) 2/5 ....effective stacks in the $600 range
UTG and MP limp. I make it $25 with KQ. Only UTG calls
Flop ($60) AT3. He checks. I bet $40. He calls
Turn ($140). T He leads $50. He may have a medium ace but I dont believe he has a T. I raise to $200.
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03-06-2017 , 10:08 AM
Hand 1: you should have sized a little bigger to get more folds pf. The shove is good vs players that'll fold kj/aj. It's hard to tell though vs most random 2/5 players.

Hand 2: don't think the A river is a good card to continue bluffing if checked to on river. As played he prob has an Ace so dont like the shove

Hand 3 : don't like trying to run bluffs on whales. He should have a pretty weak hand based on bet sizing though. Think he calls with his 10s and folds pairs 99-. It should work enough... maybe raise a little smaller like $250

Hand 4: do you ever have a 10 here?

Last edited by Tiltyjoker; 03-06-2017 at 10:14 AM.
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03-06-2017 , 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Tiltyjoker
Hand 1: you should have sized a little bigger to get more folds pf. The shove is good vs players that'll fold kj/aj. It's hard to tell though vs most random 2/5 players.

Hand 2: don't think the A river is a good card to continue bluffing if checked to on river. As played he prob has an Ace so dont like the shove

Hand 3 : don't like trying to run bluffs on whales. He should have a pretty weak hand based on bet sizing though.

Hand 4: do you ever have a 10 here?
1) Agree with a little bigger preflop. Maybe $65
4) Yes I will raise there with a T even though I expect him to fold most of the time.
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03-06-2017 , 10:28 AM
Don't you check back all your pairs of 10 on the flop in hand 4
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03-06-2017 , 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Tiltyjoker
Don't you check back all your pairs of 10 on the flop in hand 4
No. Id say I bet and check 50/50.
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03-06-2017 , 11:27 AM
#1, As you already agreed, preflop should be a bit bigger. I like the flop shove as it's the best kind of bluff, one where the possibility exists of us getting called by worse. KQ, Q9, 89.

#2, I would bet this flop. I c-bet basically all paired boards as pfr, especially in 3-bet pots. Its just so hard for V hand to have connected here. If called you can barrel an A or K easily. River shove seems ok, he almost certainly has a small-mid pp here with that weak blocker bet.

#3, 3! pre. AK plays way better heads up, and by calling you are basically guaranteeing that UTG will call and giving BB a great price. As played I fold turn, fold river. I just think you can get way better spots against a whale.

#4, I like pre and flop. I either fold turn or call with the intention of betting river big if checked to. I'm not raising turn because that's not what I'd do with AK, AQ etc.
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03-06-2017 , 11:30 AM
Hand 1 - I'd very rarely expect any folds with that sizing pre. If you have a premium hand here, aren't you going $65+? Flop shove seems fine, not in terrible shape even if Jx calls.

Hand 2 - this is exactly how a lot of people play Ax hands, don't see why V doesn't have an ace here but if you want to give it a whirl and get him off a pocket pair, it's not the worst play. It looks like you have an ace, though I would suspect you are probably betting Ax hands on that flop.

Hand 3 - wouldn't expect a whale to fold any pair

Hand 4 - again, people don't fold, so unless you are shoving river too I hate it, and even then I probably still hate it.
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03-06-2017 , 11:58 AM
I like 1 and 2, hate 3, and don't like 4. Hand 3 you don't rep a damn thing except slowplayed TT. No idea why you think he can't have Tx in hand 4.
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03-06-2017 , 12:08 PM
Ranking in order of least crappy to tirest of fires:

2, 1, 4, 3.

Trouble with 2 being, of course, if he has what he is trying to tell us he has then he's never folding. Compare to hand 1 where there's at least some nonzero chance villain throws away a dumb QJo type hand (lol jk that's toppest pair and that's hard to get).
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03-06-2017 , 02:23 PM
Hand 1 we need our bluff to work a little less than 50 percent of the time to break even. In my player pool, I wouldn't expect a V that donk leads $85 in a 3-bet pot to fold 50% of the time to a shove in a 100BB pot, so are we shoving here targeting AK and KQ for calls, or are we targeting AJ-QJ to fold? Overall, we are simply behind our opponents range, and he is showing aggression, so it seems like attempting a bluff here is a classic case of spew and getting it in as a dog. I think it's close, and can even be +EV for meta-game considerations, especially if this player is a regular in your 2-5 game.

It seems as though you have a lockdown read on the MP player in hands 1 and 2 that his $15 open is at the bottom of his range and can't contain an Ace in it. Even if you are correct that his $15 open indicates the weaker part of his range, this range could still contain suited Aces like A2-A5 that a weaker player would incorrectly call a 3bet with, rather than fold or 4bet. I think a lot of passive players would play low suited Aces, all the way up to AQo the way that V played this hand. If he was just holding a pair on the river, why wouldn't he just check/call the river to try and bluff catch you? I see him leading the river with an A, to get a crying call from you with all of your pairs. He probably expects you to check back all of your pairs on the river so the river could easily be a big fat value bet.

Last edited by mark "twang"; 03-06-2017 at 02:33 PM.
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03-08-2017 , 09:19 PM
Results

1) He folded
2) He folded
3) He folded
4) He called my turn raise. River was a blank and he checked. I surrendered. He won with QQ.
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03-08-2017 , 10:37 PM
Oh, my God ..., out-and-out betting! Haven't got that coming yet?

Yes, I remember I used to play like you when I start in poker. The first couple months I was a copy of you. Honestly I don't understand why you want to blow opponent out of the hand for $400 all-in. I suspect your actions doesn't pin the tail on the donkey. Got a long way to go and lots of bench-worming to do.
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03-08-2017 , 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Autist
Oh, my God ..., out-and-out betting! Haven't got that coming yet?

Yes, I remember I used to play like you when I start in poker. The first couple months I was a copy of you. Honestly I don't understand why you want to blow opponent out of the hand for $400 all-in. I suspect your actions doesn't pin the tail on the donkey. Got a long way to go and lots of bench-worming to do.
I have no idea what any of this means
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03-09-2017 , 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
I have no idea what any of this means
Yes, you right, I don't have any idea what I'm talking about
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03-09-2017 , 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Autist
Oh, my God ..., out-and-out betting! Haven't got that coming yet?

Yes, I remember I used to play like you when I start in poker. The first couple months I was a copy of you. Honestly I don't understand why you want to blow opponent out of the hand for $400 all-in. I suspect your actions doesn't pin the tail on the donkey. Got a long way to go and lots of bench-worming to do.
Lol, what does any of this mean?
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03-09-2017 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by SwolyswoND
I like 1 and 2, hate 3, and don't like 4. Hand 3 you don't rep a damn thing except slowplayed TT. No idea why you think he can't have Tx in hand 4.
This is basically what I was thinking, although bigger pre on 1 and I'm not sure "like" is the right word for 2, but it's OK with your limited read.

Of course, more/better reads would be really helpful.
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