Here is another pot, same settings as in the other thread
Villain is a crazy Korean, maybe 30-35. He likes action and generally playing big pots, but he is not terrible, knows some basics and can read others and exploit the table sometimes. Overall probably still a significant donator to the game though. I battled with him several times in the past and usually came out on top, but not sure if he remembers that, I see this guy every time I am in this casino, seems to be inventory.
H: 30s WG, image probably nitty at that point, not getting much to work with, if V remembers me he should know I am not that tight though

Game is 100/200 PHP (52PHP=1USD)
UTG straddles 400
MP limps

Hero (~47k) raises to 1500 from CO w A8
Villain (covers) raises to 4500 from BB
Straddle, limper fold
Hero calls


Flop(9900) AT6
V checks
H checks

Turn (9900) 9
V bets 6000
H calls

River (23900) 7
V bets 10000
H shoves for 36200 total



thoughts on all streets and sizings welcome

Seems pretty reasonable to me, I like action as played on all streets

Looks good to me, too.

Nh

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Luckbox.

Do you think I am mostly behind there before the river, which is obv a gin card?
It seems that most agree with the flop check, IMO it is somewhat debatable, there are a ton of reasonable draws out there (with this V type) even if most of them are gutshots. Also you are not only outkicked some of the time, against this type you outkick him sometimes too. Also seems unlikely that this V would slow down when he hit an ace. IMO he would mostly check air/weak holdings or monsters. On the other hand a flop bet is pretty face up and inflates an already big pot with a hand that hardly stand too much heat.
When I checked here I was planning on calling pretty much any turn and river.

Also do you think that the shove is the best or only possible sizing there on the river? (again, particularly against this type of V)

The check on the flop is standard. No reason to bet because you can't/shouldn't commit and he could check/raise a lot of hands on this board.

Shove is really only possible bet on river. It's basically 3.5x his bet. I guess you could 2x, but I don't see the point.

Well played.

I meant it mostly jokingly because I didn't have much to comment on here. Pre: you really can't fold any part of your opening range facing a 3x from this kind of player.
Post: you got the river you can jam easily and you likely had the best hand prior. Question is whether you had a river raise in your arsenal on brick-like cards as well because that is probably the best fish stomping line once he checks flop. He might call down pretty light.

On that river I would not shove with that hand barring the str8, with air like a fd that didnt get there it would be a different story. But against that type of player I doubt it, he could too easily have an 8 in his range.

Anyway back to the actual hand, as mentioned above I was curious about river sizing. Obv, say if I raise to 23k, it would need to be successful twice as often to be as good as a shove and usually I just think it will look super strong if I did that. Against a good or decent player, and also against a complete spewtard IMO it is not a recommendable line. But against the type of player I think it might have more success, you are giving him a good price to see, if I minraise he might even think he has some juggle room left for a raise with 16k and change more to play
RESULT

Did not read spoiler.

Result: Villain snap calls, turns over J8.

Disagree about shoving vs a real player. Front door draws missed and V ‘can’t’ have an 8, so it’s a prime spot for a shove.