$2-5 lively game

V1 Reg semi-pro tries to make a living at poker
takes odd jobs when short $$$
plays way too loose pre which gets him in trouble post
capable of 3 barrel bluffing with no equity for stacks
have about 300 hrs with him
sitting to my left

V2 clean cut 30 something dress shirt, pants , wing-tips
he and buddy from Norway over here visiting states
not your typical European firing away
playing a little loose pre when unraised and in position
seems to have a grasp of game and not getting out of line
not afraid to GII
across from me just met him today

V3 have about 200 hrs with him , he is normally like V1 but is sitting to my right and playing very snug with the two loosest players to his left

Hero, perceived as a Maniac to V1 and V3 based on past 2yrs play..... to V2 I look solid tight.
reason for this, in 4hrs 4 bet from BB with AA and stacked V1
3 bet from SB and stacked V1 with AA again and 3-bet stacked another player with KK over QQ when he couldn't lay it down to my flop all-in raise on all unders flop.

stacks V1 $600 V2 $1800 V3 $1500 Hero $1900

OTTH
UGT I get 6-7 spades and decide to mix it up and open raise to $40
standard open today was $40-45
V1, V2, V3 and one other call
pot $202 before rake
flop
10 8 6 ssh
I C-bet $125
V1, V2 V3 call
pot $702
Turn 6d
I see V1 itching so I check
V1 shoves for remaining $435
V2 goes into tank
after like 3 minutes V3 gets up and says he's going to have a smoke
left his hand sitting there, after he walked out door the dealer mucked them
V2 is looking at my stack, looking at his stack and is tanking for another good 2-3 min
SO if V2 folds hero calling V1?
if V2 calls is Hero calling to see river or shoving to put V2 to the test or folding?
if V2 shoves is hero calling or folding?
V2 been in tank now for going on 8 min and is apologizing to table for delay

thoughts on course of actions
following V2 on turn and why

my thoughts here were V2 either has a flush draw or JJ or maybe 99
V1 could have ATC

First call is CLOCK. I’m all for fair amount of time but 8 minutes is ridiculous for $435.

Next call is any bet he puts out. If he doesn’t shove, you do.

Against players as described I just can’t see this being a “level/slowplay”

Don’t 8x 7 high utg. As played easy call

call of V1
call V2???
if
V2 calls and has a higher flush draw why wouldn't I shove and put him to the test of folding his naked draw or if he calls and flush misses
my 3 6's could take down the side pot

is 8x really the standard open? seems pretty big.

whats the question here? are you asking if you should fold at any point? im not folding and probably put in a raise if v2 flats. its just really weird for v2 to really tank 8 minutes with a boat here.

Fold pre in most games, and definitely with three competent players on your left.

As played we are stacking off here every time

Pre is awfully terrible. ott idk why you’re considering anything other than calling, jamming is big spew almost 400 bigs deep vs v2. And if v2 folds you seriously cant be folding evervs v1

Overcalling if V2 calls would be terrible, IMO. He is capped to a hand worse than ours after tanking so long, so flatting just lets him realize his equity for free. We have the effective nuts and our hand draws poorly. Just jam now to deny equity against a range that is unlikely to put more money in the pot without having beaten us on the river. If we're lucky we might even get a call.

^ you really expect to be ahead when you push $2000 into the middle with trips no kicker where there are some % freq of slowplayed straights/sets, 86s, and trips higher kicker?

What are we even denying equity to? JJ? A10? That has 2 outs. If he has NFD a spade wont roll off that often anyway with us blocking 2 spades and it’s very unlikely he’s calling the jam with naked K/Q high fd

We also induce way more mistakes by just flatting here and possibly shoving blank rivers. When you just jam $2000 cold you’re condensing ranges to the point where when you get it in, you’re praying to suck out

In a game where the average open is 9x I’m gonna treat trips as TFN and gii and let them figure out how deep down they call

I don't expect $2000 to go in the middle. According to OP he was tanking for 8 minutes! I don't think you recognize that this is a massive tell (or don't agree?). This is not a slow-play. He's clearly not confident in his hand. If we are behind it would be to something like better 6x, although that would be a really terrible call on the flop, and there's a decent chance he folds it to a jam anyway. Heck, he might even fold 79, but I don't think he has that.

If he has a flush draw we'd much rather he fold now than let him see a river for free. It's not a point against a jam if he folds those hands.

Flatting doesn't induce more mistakes. He's not folding to a shove now, but calling a river shove with JJ unimproved. If we just call he's freerolling us, and stacking you when he hits if you're going to jam brick rivers.

Good point with him tanking for 8 minutes... in that case i agree jamming is > flatting

Thank you to those responding

although desc is not me I was V2 in this hand with AQ spades

I never tank more than 10 sec but with V3 and Hero in post behind me
and with big stacks
if I called highly poss one of them shoves then what?
when v3 walked away it caused a big stink so 2-3 min of the tank was floor coming over and instructing dealer to muck after hearing story and V1 and Hero complaining about it.

I ended up folding as I thought a jam gets called , after all he is a Maniac
and if I hit an A or Q didn't think it would be good even for the side pot to justify a shove.
and calling after such a long delay was just inviting Hero in post to shove.
you guys confirmed my thinking on this

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OP, please read the stickies. "Reverse HHs" like this are not allowed.