I went to play 1/2 stakes, the moment I sit down I recognaized familiar faces, as I played with 3 of them before and I thought 2 were pros. So After half an hour I got my first decent hand KK in the big blind and there was a lot of action on the table. Guy in the middle position open limped, guy next to him in the cutoff raised to 10 and button reraised to 30. Basically everyone involved in the hand I played before not much, but I recognized last two guys as pros and limper as accountant broker( professional occupation) who wasnt get bluffed easily. I thought for a second to go all in, but I knew that the guy in button play TAG style, he got position, so he's going to continue the flop and i can milk him big time. 2nd thing if I go all in is basically 4bet and being on the big blind representing really strong hand, so hes going to call me with QQ + . So instead I just call ,and the other guys call as well. Flop comes 389 and I check to the raiser , giving him chance to continue on a dry flop. (121 in the middle)Then guys who limped in moves quicklyvall in, cutoff folds and button calls. So at this point I think my kings are not good, I think for a bit and I put the guy in the middle position on set , I don't fear guy on the button I think I got him crushed. So I call and tell the guy , u got set, he confirms and turns pocket 3s, guy on the button to my suprise got AKoff wtf he called all in on the flop with ace high! LOL So did I make any mistake playing this hand, I mean I just knew he got set , he limped in, called 3bet and moves all in , it was hard for me to lay it down, like I kne it for like 80% or even higher than that, but I still called. The other thing is ,would it be better to go all in preflop? Also what's the deal with the guy on the button, I thought he is pro, I saw he couple of times, he certainly hangs out in the poker room a lot, and he plays TAG style, and basically he just looks like a poker player. Why he quickly called that hand AKoff seriously with ace high, would any poker pro would do that?

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This post is a mess. No stack sizes, we don't even know the suits of your cards, etc. It also is formatted into a hard to read paragraph that rambles on.

As the only person qualified to answer your post, I'll say that I'll get back to it later. I'm about to run out and play 1/2 professionally for a few hours.

Repost this hand in a clear format and you'll get lots of posters who will correctly tell you not to slowplay.

You correctly assess the hand and still call. That's bad.

3-bet pre.

Cliffs:

OP sits at 1/2 table stacked with pro's and business professionals.

Get's KK in BB. Doesn't know how to play it so just calls.

1 Pro gets a set and insta shoves while other pro flats with AK.

OP knows pro #1 has set but still calls.

OP plays poker about as good as the threads he posts.

Only wants professionals to answer (hence why I'm answering) because only pro's know how to play 1/2.


*mods please don't close this serious thread as I want to hear what all the 1/2 pro's think*

This, right here, is the absolute worst thing you could do. You have a double suited board, and unless one of your kings matches that suit, you may be drawing to just one clean out. As things stand, even if the board came rainbow, you still may not have an out as there is a very good chance the remaining kings are making up hands that the other players can call in a double raised pot pre. You have to have the courage of your convictions. Yeah, SUX to see those Cowboys bite the dust, but they are not invincible. If you feel you're beat, drop 'em. If you sometimes get bluffed, well, them's the breaks. It happens.

This is a very good reason to repop it pre. You should have come over the top for $75 -- $100. Let Mr. Accountant call off for as much as you can get while the gettin's good. If he refuses to "be bluffed", then take him to downtown Value Town. The times to chance a slow play is if you're up against scared little rabbits, and you think you can make more from them if you out play them on the flop, or if you're trying to throw off the better players by introducing an element of confusion. This doesn't appear to be the case here. Should have 4-bet big.

If someone's gonna get stubborn with pocket treys, then really make 'em pay to see a flop. Win or lose doesn't matter if you do your job of making the opposition pay into -EV situations. If they still win, well, Keno players win sometimes too.

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Absolutely sick second post

Get your own material.

Cliffs:

Reraise pre

Flatting pre might be ok, but it's really hard to say without knowing stack sizes. Checking this flop multiway, however, is so bad I think it just gave me cancer.

Faltting here pre is never okay in 1/2. Fish will take hands as minimal as KJ off to to the flop even with a 30 dollar raise.. You either need to be re-popping it to about 85 or shoving it at these stakes so those 3's never see the light of day, not that should ever call 30 but like I said 1/2 is a different game.

How much money do you have to start the hand? Put it on one hand of black jack next time, jkkkkkk... But really you have no choice but to four bet... You wanna let everyone else see a flop? Stuff it in.. Hope he doesn't have AA

It's not worth even discussing this hand post flop as played... The two things I'm about to tell you will help some of you rookies out there

1. A very wise and massively winning player once told me "the entire game of NL is pre flop. This is usually more true in tournaments than cash, but still it's somewhat true in both versions of the game. You should have pretty much te entire hand mapped out by what was happened pre flop.. Granted this fluctuates sometimes.. But a very good amount of the time you should almost know going to te flop how te entire had will be played.

2. I read this deep in Phil galfdond well the other day.. "When you're in the mist of making a decision, ask yourself, when I look back at this hand tomorrow will I be happy or mad at myself for the way I played it"... Clearly you needed to 4bet here... Unless by some miracle the limpers had like 50 bucks each an you and the villain had 500 each.. But I'm sure that's the case

This is an example of why you raise raise raise preflop here: last night I got short after a beat, 4 limpers to me in the BB and I shoved my last $60. 3 callers. Their hands were AJo, JTs, & 98s. My point is most 1/2 and many 2/5 players suck balls and don't have any clue when they should be folding. So when you have KK you should be pumping the pot with a vengeance cuz you should get at least one caller with a worse hand like 90% of the time.

If effective stacks are $300, sure. If they're $100, this is just wrong. You WANT somebody in EP with KJ/33 to be putting in $28 pf.

All the bashing aside, OP, do you live in the US or Western Europe? If so, I seriously doubt you had 3 pros at a 1/2 table. Very few pros play at that level, as they can't win enough to make a decent living. There are dedicated "regulars" at that level, but they aren't pros.

I agree with most of the posters ITT, even though they didn't say it in the nicest way, necessarily.
-Please post in an easier to read format.
-You need to learn to consider stack sizes.
-Your preflop play was probably bad, even with a raise and a 3-bet in front of you. You are in bad position, and you have to consider that the original raiser is unlikely to fold, so by flatting you are likely going multi-way out of position.
-Your flop check was HORRIBLE. That board isn't dry. It has both a SD and a FD on it.
-Your flop overcall was also horrible. Given that action, you have to assume that the first shove is either a set or a combo-draw and the call from the guy who 3-bet pre is usually an overpair. Against that range, you have a measly 11.6% equity. Fold.

I didn't say I didn't want them putting in, I said you don't want them to see a flop, at least the 3's. If stacks are that low you're clearly shoving pre in this spot.

Um. No. Just no. Your job is not to "keep 33 from seeing a flop." Your job is to "deny 33 proper odds to see a flop, but make him make a mistake by seeing it anyway." Maximize $s won, not pots won.

Garick mainly covered it. The only other thing to consider is that big pairs win lots of small pots, but generally don't win big ones unimproved. Even everyone folded, you would have won a $40 pot, a nice win without having to see a flop. You need to 4 bet it to $100. If someone in a 100BB game wants to chase a set getting a maximum of 4:1 odds, let them do it all day.

My point is if played correctly by all players involved the 3's are never getting to the flop. If they are willing to chase the majority of the time you're picking up a nice pot. Sure you want them to call, but you need to reraise here

Makes me feel better about my play. So turned out if u raised pre it would of def gotten called by the button if not raised all in. Don't over think simple situations like this just stick the money in. Save you posts for more complicated situations.