1/2 300eff

Villian is older, Asian, passive. Saw him open limp button w. KJs previously.

Hero 30's TAG. No real history with Villian


One MP limper, V limps CO, hero limps along A6dd, sb completes.

5ways flop: QJTdd

Checks to V who bets $15, hero calls, limper calls.

turn: 2h

checks to V who bets $20, hero believes 3rd player is folding, hero $60, V tank calls.

river 3s

V checks, hero bets $115...

I would much prefer raising the flop instead of the turn. If I'm raising the turn its to $100, not $60

+1; I think if you don't raise flop then just calling turn is fine

Not on this board. This is a board passive players always have 2 pair on and always hero call against my straight/flush. You're getting a good price. Just call flop/turn. When you hit, value bet and get paid.

Would anyone be ok shoving $225 on any river that isn't 9o or A?

Pot is about $175 given above action.


As a side villain 1.5x pot on flop and 0.35x pot on blankiest of blank turns. I don't really mind the turn raise but I prefer bombing all rivers if you are going to do it.

Assuming villain doesn't understand bet to pot ratios (appears he doesn't) I also prefer raising flop. The only issue with bluffing is you NEVER have the nuts here, you also don't have a set of Us or Have and probably not Ts. So if anyone in the pot has a brain they will see your raise for what it is (semi bluff). Your only made hands raising for value are K9 and 98.

So if I think villains have a brain I'm probably just c/c. But if you they they are dumb and can muck QJ I much prefer jamming river as opposed to $115.

Edit: the more I think about your range the more I hate bluffing here. Anyone with a brain knows you are not repping much, and people with out a brain have a hard time folding 2 pair because its 2 pair man, how can I fold.

Please clarify - did both Vs call turn or just one? If just one, which one? Thanks!

1/2 300eff

Villian is older, Asian, passive. Saw him open limp button w. KJs previously.

Hero 30's TAG. No real history with Villian


One MP limper, V limps CO, hero limps along A6dd, sb completes.

5ways flop: QJTdd

Checks to V who bets $15, hero calls, limper calls.

turn: 2h

checks to V who bets $20, hero believes 3rd player is folding, hero $60, limper folds, V tank calls.

river 3s

V checks, hero bets $115...

I briefly considered a flop raise but I felt the combined factors of 3 opponents, coordinated board, possibility of stacking a worse flush draw, my position, made calling better. I could be convinced otherwise perhaps.


The culture of this game is such that $115 into $175 is a big bet. I think it's plenty to get this player type to fold one pair. Also this player pool loves to call flop, raise turn with big hands. I think they could have the nuts, two pair, etc with this line despite the water stains on this flop.


Exactly. It looks like he wants protection OTF and then gets scared OTT which suggests a one pair hand to me.

I generally never try to fold a villain off two pair here. Maybe a big bet does the job. IDK. I was mostly targetting AQ,KQ,Q9, QXs, Pair+FD, maybe KJ or J9.