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08-22-2018 , 03:26 AM

friedrice88

journeyman

Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 351

Villains are uber fishs, passive phones.
1-3$
V1 80$
V2 400$
Hero otb covers all with AKo
2 limps, hero raises 18, call,call
Flop 445r (58$)
Checks,hero bets 25$,V1 calls,V2 folds
Turn 9 (108$)
Check, hero? V1 37$ remaining!

So i think his range is very wide including all pairs and A high and mb KQ,KJ
Of course if i check turn i call river anywhere. I can save 37$, when he check his pair otr

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08-22-2018 , 08:45 AM

Garick

Oberbiergenießer

Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 26,514

Grunch from title alone. If your V is passive, you are never pot committed.

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08-22-2018 , 08:48 AM

Alexandar

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 623

passive phones? samsungs or iphones?

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08-22-2018 , 09:47 AM

samo

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 4,251

Check multi-way flop.

AP, check turn, get to SD as cheap as possible. If he leads river, ez fold unimproved.

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08-22-2018 , 10:41 AM

DaYu

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,279

I bet this flop all the time. 3-handed with AK on a low paired board? Standard c-bet.

But your logic doesn't make sense on later streets. Obviously check back the turn. You don't have any fold equity.

And don't call the river. He has you beat, unless you spike a pair.

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08-22-2018 , 11:06 AM

gobbledygeek

Poet Laureate of LLSNL

Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 36,136

Trivial turn shove is trivial with these remaining stacks, especially against a passive player who isn't going to turn his hand into a bluff on the river if we show weakness.

ETA: At least two respondents are obviously trolling (against forum rules, FWIW). Although I'm guessing they think the original post is a troll.

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08-22-2018 , 11:20 AM

Gorgalosk

grinder

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 450

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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek

Not saying you're wrong, but by the turn V has put in over half his stack. Is really calling with worse if you shove with one card to go?

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08-22-2018 , 11:21 AM

sauhund

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Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 5,936

don´t know where people are trolling here, this is a bit of ****ty spot.
Hand is wp imo, I would overlimp to 3bet if the blinds are active or raise to 40 pre though to get 10% stacks in and prevent lol setmining odds.

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08-22-2018 , 11:43 AM

gobbledygeek

Poet Laureate of LLSNL

Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 36,136

Lol, my bad, first post of the morning: I thought we had KK.

ETA: Knowing that we have AK, I don't think a shove is horrible at this point although obviously we could also check back. We have 6 outs a lot if behind, we're sometimes ahead given villain's range, villain could be on a draw, and he manages a fold of small pair once and a while.

Gignoreme,lolG

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08-22-2018 , 07:11 PM

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friedrice88

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Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 351

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Originally Posted by samo

Check multi-way flop.

If he leads river, ez fold unimproved.

I cant do this , I saw many times passive fishs are floating flop with garbage and bluff river, for example 67,86,78, also he would do this with KJ,KQo,mb A high

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08-22-2018 , 09:20 PM

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samo

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Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 4,251

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Originally Posted by friedrice88

I cant do this , I saw many times passive fishs are floating flop with garbage and bluff river, for example 67,86,78, also he would do this with KJ,KQo,mb A high

If they bluff, then they are not passive. Adjust to them by calling river at attractive odds.

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08-22-2018 , 09:42 PM

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jjjou812

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Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 5,598

Pot has 108 and you are worried about $37? Really?

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