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I can't stop raising the Button help! I can't stop raising the Button help!

03-15-2014 , 09:57 PM
All these people I'm playing keep limping in front of me and I keep raising them. At some tables this prints money, but at this particular table they've caught on and I'm getting creamed. I probably raise like 30-40% of hands on the Button. What should I decrease it to. I need a standard, because I keep raising too much. Help!
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03-15-2014 , 10:02 PM
Change tables?
How did they "catch on"? Are they 3betting lighter or calling lighter?
If so, then change tables or readjust.
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03-15-2014 , 10:05 PM
There's no set certain "optimum percentage" that you should change your raising frequency to. Do it when it makes sense.

If you seat yourself to the right of weak passive players you can even open pf from MP/CO/HJ, dont need to restrict yourself to the magic position called the button
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03-15-2014 , 11:42 PM
I'd decrease it to about 75%...and increase your 2/3 barrel bluff frequency.

Seriously though, how is the table adjusting?
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03-15-2014 , 11:53 PM
They are 3-betting me a lot and it is making me lose.
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03-15-2014 , 11:57 PM
Lol to this..

Move your raise to the hj
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03-15-2014 , 11:58 PM
If they are calling/3betting you light or extra wide maybe you should start raising the button with premiums and 4bet for value?
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03-15-2014 , 11:59 PM
stop raising garbage against limpers.

when raising a limper your raising standards should be higher than if you're trying to steal the blinds (that is, when the action folds to you).

you might consider limping along with some speculative hands (low suited connectors/pairs) too.
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03-16-2014 , 12:00 AM
Go to where they respect your raises.
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03-16-2014 , 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by TheGodson
They are 3-betting me a lot and it is making me lose.
A specific few players? Depending on the player type, they might just be picking up hands if they are omcs.
Are you ever deep enough to call the 3bet with hands with decent equity against the 3!r's range to see a flop?
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03-16-2014 , 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Stacking Chips
Lol to this..

Move your raise to the hj
I meant that in terms of general advice. That op does not need to feel obligated to raise otb, or that the only time he can raise is otb.

Try not to read words in isolation
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03-16-2014 , 12:02 AM
They're limp re-raising from OOP when you open the btn?

Merge your range on the btn, open HJ and CO more. Also open your 3 bet light range yourself.

I'm guessing 1 or two players are giving you trouble, or is everyone at the table limp 3 betting you? If that's the case, get out of that game lol. If it's 1 or two players, then open up your 4 bet shove range to 10s+ AJs+.

30-40% opening on the button isn't that much, I think there is more going on here than you're telling. What bet sizing are you using?
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03-16-2014 , 12:21 AM
They take turns 3-betting me. No it is typically the blinds. I also raise from the Cut-off and Hi-Jack sometimes too much too ahhhhh.

Got frustrated and stacked off with 99 vs. this constant 3-bettor. he had KK

Bad play by me, because I knew he would switch on me after showing is crap bluff.

I want a standard just to keep me from going crazy. Is my UTG range good to stop me?

Last edited by TheGodson; 03-16-2014 at 12:29 AM.
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03-16-2014 , 12:23 AM
Is this a level attempt?
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03-16-2014 , 12:31 AM
Trying to keep me from leveling myself actually. I've calmed down a bit. Things are going better.
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03-16-2014 , 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by MountainSquatch
Is this a level attempt?
I doubt it. Sounds like he's being outplayed and got his money in bad.

Op, you arent telling us very much about what's going on except in a very general complaining sense. I have a feeling that your problem is not "how often should I be 3-betting". Why dont tell us more about how your opponents that "took turns 3-betting you" played in general? You have been paying attention right? There is so much information we still need from you before we can even diagnose what might be going on.
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03-16-2014 , 12:45 AM
The problem is I'm betting too much. AJ looks good. Then pretty soon I'm thinking ehh AT is close to AJ so I can bet that too. Then I'm doing A9... A8.... etc... until I'm opening crap. I've decided to stop betting so much and that has solved the problem I am winning again.

when people limp how much should that affect your button betting range by as a standard? Right now I am doing my UTG range which is roughly 11% of hands. This is too tight, but will sufficce for now.
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03-16-2014 , 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by TheGodson
The problem is I'm betting too much. AJ looks good. Then pretty soon I'm thinking ehh AT is close to AJ so I can bet that too. Then I'm doing A9... A8.... etc... until I'm opening crap. I've decided to stop betting so much and that has solved the problem I am winning again.

when people limp how much should that affect your button betting range by as a standard? Right now I am doing my UTG range which is roughly 11% of hands. This is too tight, but will sufficce for now.
You fundamentally do not understand the game. It sounds like you're actually the fish at the table. I don't think you know why you're being so aggressive, you're just doing it because you think you're supposed to.

What's your bet sizing? How do you play the flop/turn/river when you open in LP and get called? What's your image? What mood are the players that 3 bet you in?

It sounds to me like you're being aggressive without a plan, and that's worked for you in the past? But all of the sudden you've run into players with actual hands and your faux strategy is now crumbling beneath you.

There's a lot more going on here than people taking turns 3 betting you from the blinds.
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03-16-2014 , 01:00 AM
You're just not that good at poker.
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03-16-2014 , 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by TheGodson
The problem is I'm betting too much. AJ looks good. Then pretty soon I'm thinking ehh AT is close to AJ so I can bet that too. Then I'm doing A9... A8.... etc... until I'm opening crap. I've decided to stop betting so much and that has solved the problem I am winning again.

when people limp how much should that affect your button betting range by as a standard? Right now I am doing my UTG range which is roughly 11% of hands. This is too tight, but will sufficce for now.
Honestly it's all about your table and who you are playing with.
Ill use my casino as an example in how I play position against the kind of opponents THERE.

So it's usually a pf limp fest. I figure out who's the omc limp-3! type, who's the ATC type, who's the fit/fold type. A good weak-passive table will have mostly fit/fold players. If so, i widen my opening range to any suited/or not connectors, and suited face cards etc. I make sure I get the right number of players calling my raise preflop. Usually ~2 is the best. I adjust my amount to get that accordingly. But if there are like 6 limpers already when it gets to me then I narrow my opening range significantly.

Now, you get those two fitfold Vs in the hand with you, im going to bet 90% of the flop when checked to with any draw any pair and board with any kind of backdoor equity. It really depends on how sticky your villain is. Dont do that against calling stations. it's also good figuring out your opponent's calling range. If the board looks like it hits that then I wouldnt be cbetting light.
When I set up the right table dynamic, I can open like up to 50% of hands in LP and go orbits without a showdown and knowing when to fold. It's incredibly profitable because you rake in all these small pots, then you pick up some big hands and no one folds to you once they hit something because they are just dying to see your hand.

Note that I didnt mention a specific hand even once above. I hope you can see that the point im trying to get across is really try to think more about your opponents than your own hands like "oh I keep on getting Ax so I must play them".

The fact that you still havent been able to post some reads on your villains show that you havent been paying attention at all.

Generally playing in position is advantageous, but the kind of hand and line will depend on who you are at the table with.
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03-16-2014 , 01:27 AM
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Originally Posted by nit3.runn3r
You're just not that good at poker.
Do us a favour, gtfo and take your trolling somewhere else.
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