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05-21-2013 , 07:47 AM
1/2 late in the night, V2 is the big winner in this club, plus he just had a big score in big tournament, he has been playing loose and good throughout the session with some luck on his side. Hero was playing very tight with occasional switches, e.g I won a big pot with 78s( I had to put 100 pf with it but was getting over 5.5-1 against only 3 opponents and closing the action)
V2(1100) straddles, UTG calls , Hero AA (1200), calls, fold to BB V1(172) who raises to 15, V2 calls, limper calls, Hero re-raises to 95, V1 goes all in for 172, BB calls and says :" This is the hand". Hero calls after some thought and being reminded by the dealer that he cannot raise { In fact I cannot remember if V1's stack was 172, 174 or 176, so I put the first number in the post, but there is a part of me that tells me that it was actually 176[then I could have raised]}
flop (530) KQ7 rainbow
V2 checks, Hero bets 320, V2 calls after few seconds
turn J
V2 checks, Hero?
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05-21-2013 , 07:54 AM
Check
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05-21-2013 , 08:26 AM
SPR on the flop is <2. You are committed to this pot. I like the flop sizing.

Now the pot is 1170 and V2 has ~600 behind. Shove it in.
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05-21-2013 , 08:36 AM
OP, I donīt really think itīs threadworthy to check on the validity of value betting or bluff catching the last 400 of your stack into a 2k pot.

However, the rest of the hand is a mess. Raise pre. What other hands do you limp raise?

When BB shorty raises, you should have preempted the possibility of him overjamming by raising less enabling you to reopen the betting and 5 bet.

Post flop AA with SPRs of 2 and one live opponent, we just get it in on flop and turn in 95% of cases, and this board and opponenent, although not the one we would have scripted, is in the 95% of cases.
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05-21-2013 , 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Czech Rays
OP, I donīt really think itīs threadworthy to check on the validity of value betting or bluff catching the last 400 of your stack into a 2k pot.

However, the rest of the hand is a mess. Raise pre. What other hands do you limp raise?

When BB shorty raises, you should have preempted the possibility of him overjamming by raising less enabling you to reopen the betting and 5 bet.

Post flop AA with SPRs of 2 and one live opponent, we just get it in on flop and turn in 95% of cases, and this board and opponenent, although not the one we would have scripted, is in the 95% of cases.
Actually , even though i asked what to do on the turn, I was hoping to get responses about previous streets as well.
About preempting the BB jam, I was thinking the same thing after the dealer told me that i can just call. But with so many players it is so hard to track exact count of all the stacks and to prepare for this for every player that is left to act after me.At least for myself it is hard (Ok, here BB was the initial raiser so i should at least prepare for his shove, that I think i was capable of , but failed to do so))
Also, I still think it is profitable to limp AA from first few positions on a table where there is a raise in almost every hand. This is my reasoning If i raise from EP two very likely scenarios usually occur:
1) first few people fold and then I just pick up the blinds ( which are so small compared to the average bets, that make this result bad for us)
2) a series of callers appears and then I am playing AA against 3-6 players OTF with some decent money behind, which is not so bad, but also far from desirable.
From that perspective: I play my hand pretty face up, (after the re-raise, because I am limping other stuff too, so they don't know if i have premium hand untill the action comes back to me)) but am just hoping to pick up those raiser's and his callers money, or to run into some stubborn guy on tilt or gambler that will call my 3-bet. maybe my reasoning is wrong? If somebody can explain me why, i am ready to listen. The only thing I see bad for this startegy is that villains can easily put me on a strong hand (after my 3-bet) How bad is that on 1/2 table?
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05-21-2013 , 09:30 AM
Also it was about 600 left OTT, but it is not a big differense , I guess
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05-21-2013 , 09:32 AM
I donīt think itīs a huge problem playing your hand face up as long as you get opponents to put in at least 10-15% of their stack pre, which means no hand they can have is getting the odds to outflop you. Also, even though they KNOW you have AA, most villains still wonīt fold top pair or an overpair on the flop in a 3 bet pot.

With regards to raising or limp/raising, the point is with AA, we are not looking to play a 1000bb pot unless someone has a hand that they would 3 bet pre anyway. So just raise, and happily betfold most streets depending on runouts, and win lots of $150 -$200 pots.
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05-21-2013 , 02:49 PM
Thx, Checque.
The resolution: I pushed and he snap called with 10 9 ss, river was a 9, and I mucked. So V2 called 155 (cause he already put 15) raise pf with 10 9 suited and cracked my Aces for a 2350$ pot.
My conclusions:
1) Be aware of the stack sizes at all times! (or at least the initial raiser's stack)
2) Take time ti think before every action (when I bet OTF, I did it very fast and somehow in my mind the pot was 500, so I bet 320. Actually pot was 540, so a bigger bet of around 400-450 would be better IMO.Also I wanted to give myself a chance to get out which I didn't use later.
3) If you already make mistake of betting too small to give yourself a chance to get out if things get tough, then get out if you think you are beat FTLOG!
4) raising in EP with AA is "not such a bad move" even if you get multiple callers
5) bet sizing is much more important then it looks like (in vast majority of spots!), therefore : 2) think thoroughly before you act

If anybody wants to add something to the list of conclusions from this hand, he/she is more than welcome. I am going back to that same cardroom to play some cards, although with some pain. I guess it will go away as soon as I peek to my first two hole cards, .
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05-21-2013 , 06:09 PM
Look, you can go back with confidence. V2 made an absolutely horrible call here with just a gutshot OTF. Neither you, he, nor the pot had enough money to justify the call. This is a guy you can take a lotta money from over the next few years. Buy him a beer next time you see him, and good luck!
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